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Unless vanity/narcissism is involved -- then there is no bottom limit to the IQ plummet, or cartwheels tripping over each other.

Pudgy Tony Little sold millions of Ab Isolators, where 1. He had nary an ab anywhere on his pudgy li'l body

  1. His product was absolute crap
  2. His product didn't work
  3. NO ab product can work
  4. Abs are irrelevant to begin with.

Millions, he sold.

Add fashion, perfumes, hair care products, Extenze and all the rest, and there should be a brisk market for Perpetual Motion Machine -- IFF they made us look better, lose weight, hopped up our peckers.....

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Existential Angst
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Why, because YOU didn't think of it? You are SUCH an asshole! Even at 70 psi, you *should* be able to power that bicycle air horn with yer ass....

"TRUE" or not, jimmie's post raises a very inneresting point about trees/shade, etc.

Did you google thoroughly to assure yourself that jimmie's assertions were NOT true? Or is jerking yourself off *and* typing with the other hand too slow?

PV's *can* be used to effectively power a home, but it's not trivial, and it's big total $$, not just for the PV's, but for the surrounding infrastructure -- batteries, inverters, grid tie-ins, wiring, roof installation, you name it. Ditto windmills.

Also, ito the green factor, altho PV's would appear to be idyllic, it's not well known that the manufacture of virtually all solid state stuff is one of the most chemically insidious processes in manufacturing, definitely non-green.

Which is why all this stuff is made overseas, where the rivers literally bubble from pollutants.

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Existential Angst

Man, are you ever stupid. If you don't believe me, go look it up or google it.

Jimwit doesn't even remember for sure what he thought he saw somewhere, yet he states it as if it is some sort of fact. As far as I'm concerned, he made it up, until he comes up with some evidence that he didn't.

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salty

I DO believe it. YOU are the one asserting that he made it up. Prove it. Google your salty ass off, provide cites to the contrary. Asshole.

Typical SaltyAss. Nevermind that it was a very good point. Kudos to Jimmie if he DID make it up.... it's more creative insight than YOU will ever generate in your useless usenet career. Figger out climb vs. conventional cutting yet?? Which you denied existed, cuz poor ignerint baby didn't have effing citations spoon fed to him.....

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Existential Angst

Been 3 or 4 years since I saw the thing. I dont really give a rat's ass if anyone believes me or not. I know none of these posers that keep saying how great photo voltaic systems are will ever install a system themselves. I've done enough research to know that its not as easy to do as the internet ads make it sound. They dont consider that the first and second largest users of energy in the home is HVAC and hot water. These can be more efficiently supplemented via solar by taking a more direct approach leaving out the solar to electrical conversion all together. I can do better than photocells just by adding a sun room on the south side of my house to heat in the winter.

Jimmie

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JIMMIE

If they can be had for that amount, how is it that a typical home system that generates 6KW costs $50K?

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trader4

I rest my case your honor!

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salty

Wrong again, sweety-pie.

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salty

Been 3 or 4 years since I saw the thing. I dont really give a rat's ass if anyone believes me or not. I know none of these posers that keep saying how great photo voltaic systems are will ever install a system themselves. ==============================================

SaltyAss is proly THE poseur on ahr. At this point, he's famous for his bratty demands for citations -- must be trust/mommy issues.

I've done enough research to know that its not as easy to do as the internet ads make it sound. They dont consider that the first and second largest users of energy in the home is HVAC and hot water. These can be more efficiently supplemented via solar by taking a more direct approach leaving out the solar to electrical conversion all together. I can do better than photocells just by adding a sun room on the south side of my house to heat in the winter. ============================================

I agree. Auto-blackening (or mirroring) glass, controlled by voltage, would be a great help as well. This glass would proly be more expensive than imported granite countertops, tho.

An equivalent, tho, with simple retractable awning-type ditties above windows, would be great asset, energy-wise.

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Existential Angst

I know. I've seen you play with yourself day in and day out, here.

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krw

Well, maybe you have rested your case, but you should try making one, first, and then rest.

Explain why jimmie's assertions are so unbelievable.

Sheeit, you didn't believe climb vs. conventional cutting either, until Ed H. showed you to be an effing uninformed moron. Not to mention the approx. 2 million hits on google on the subject, which didn't seem to impress you, since, well, it came from me.

I sure hope you live by yourself, at least give yer mom a break......

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Existential Angst

If they can be had for that amount, how is it that a typical home system that generates 6KW costs $50K?

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Well, I wasn't asserting this f'sure f'sure, I was hoping someone could either confirm it (with a link), or provide current pricing.

I believe that $50K is an installed price, with all the goodies, hookups, etc., whereas the $1/W I thought I read would be strictly a parts purchase.

HD was offering a rooftop array for $48K, altho I forget the exact wattage. If 6 kW, it would be about $30K (at $5/W), and $18K for the installation/peripherals.

And, as others have alluded, that 6 kW is likely a rating semi-equivalent to Sears hp ratings.... but we've been down THAT road before, eh?

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Existential Angst

You two really should get a room.

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salty

I still have no idea what this climb cutting thing is.

Meanwhile, lets review...

I said "Man are you ever stupid. If you don't believe me, go look it up"

...and you replied, "I do believe it"

or to paraphrase:

Salty sez: Boy are you stupid!

EA sez: I believe you!

I have to admit that at first I didn't really think you were THAT stupid. I sure do now.

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salty

Probably the first truthful thing you've said. But you sure did know a lot about it with fellow asshole Ricodjour in the Dual Saw thread, didn't you??

So you DO live with yer mom... You're STILL in JHS!!

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Existential Angst

Or the 115 Chinese coal miners rescued recently after 8 DAYS in a flooding mine? And the 33, or more, being sought! And with their control of their media one knows that such 'bad' news is not propaganda!

But while 25 the miners in W.Va. has been mentioned every hour on every North American network not a word about the Chinese one!

And then later on there'll be a few comments about the 'Poor safety record' of Chinese mines and few 'tut-tuts' about cheap labour industry.

While the W.Va mine had ................ what was it, yes probably higher standards, ............ but 120 safety violations?

Where IS government when really needed? Possibly being lobbied in Washington or the state capital?

Just a minute let me check on international news on the internet for the latest on the Chines incident. And I'll post here.

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terry

Roundup: Foreign press lauds China's rescue efforts in coal mine accident Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:26 AM

BEIJING, Apr. 7, 2010 (Xinhua News Agency) -- After more than 190 hours of continuous hard work and scientific rescue operation, 115 of the 153 miners trapped in a flooded mine in northern China have been pulled out alive. The rescue operation not only represented a miracle of life, but also marked an unbelievable achievement in China's history of disaster relief.

In recent days, the story of the Chinese government's all-out efforts to save those trapped miners received extensive and positive coverage in a number of major media organizations in Russia, the United States, Germany, France and other countries.

Other sources, AP and MSNBC, AL Jazeera (English), France TV etc.

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terry

You are correct, my memory was somewhat porous.

Actually, adjusting for daylight/darkness, the average is 342W/m^2. After applying corrections for latitude (1/3) and cloud cover (1/3), you'd end up pretty close to my original figure of 40 watts per sq meter.

Right. SOME people (like the Unibomber and Mexican border-crossers) can live off of sunbeams, but my claim that trying to do so for the AVERAGE house or business is doomed - quite simply, it cannot be done.

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HeyBub

Solar-powered plane makes successful maiden flight Posted on 04/08/2010

PAYERNE, SWITZERLAND

By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER

Associated Press

At the pace of a fast bicycle, a solar-powered plane took to the skies for its maiden flight Wednesday, passing an important test on the way to a historic voyage around the world -- a journey that would not use a drop of fuel.

The Solar Impulse lifted off from a military airport at a speed no faster than 28 mph (45 kph) after briefly accelerating down the runway. It slowly gained altitude above the green-and-beige fields and eventually faded into the horizon as villagers watched from the nearest hills.

"There has never been an airplane of that kind that could fly -- never an airplane so big, so light, using so little energy. So there were huge question marks for us," said Bertrand Piccard, who is leading the project. In 1999, he copiloted the first nonstop round-the-world balloon flight.

During Wednesday's 90-minute flight, the plane completed a series of turns by gently tilting its black-and-white wings, which are as wide as those of a 747 jumbo jet. It climbed nearly a mile above the Swiss countryside. The weather was sunny, and there was little wind -- obvious advantages for a plane so light and dependent on the sun.

Engineers on the $93.5 million project have been conducting short tests since December, taking the plane no higher than 2 feet and flying no more than 1,000 feet in distance. A night flight is planned before July, and then a second plane will be built based on the results of those tests.

That plane will be the one to attempt the round-the-world flight planned for 2012.

"The goal is to fly day and night with no fuel. The goal is to demonstrate the importance of renewable energies, to show that with renewable energies we can achieve impossible things," Piccard said.

Aviation experts said they see a future for renewable fuels in commercial aviation, but they predicted that biofuels from plants, algae or other sources were more likely to succeed than solar power.

"Solar energy does not have enough 'energy density' to power regular airplanes that are supposed to fly somewhere in a reasonably short time," said Hans Weber, president of San Diego-based aviation consulting firm TECOP International, Inc. With solar planes, "the objective is only to stay aloft, not to go anywhere fast."

Test pilot Markus Scherdel said Wednesday's flight proved that the plane could take off and land safely and handles like a passenger jet.

"Everything worked as it should," he said.

While the next plane will have an outer shell, the current prototype has an open cockpit -- sort of the aeronautic version of a convertible.

Scherdel said the frigid air didn't bother him and that it was "too cold for flies" that might otherwise have hit his face.

"I was wearing my special underwear and a windproof overall," he said. "I got shoes and gloves with built-in heating. You see, we thought of everything."

Using almost 12,000 solar cells, rechargeable lithium batteries and four electric motors, Piccard and co-pilot Andre Borschberg plan to take the plane around the world. They will make regular stops to switch places and stretch after long periods in the cramped cockpit -- and to show off their aircraft.

The circumnavigation will take time. With the engines providing only

40 horsepower, the plane will perform like a moped in the sky, at an average flight speed of 44 mph (70 kph). The trip will be divided into five stages -- keeping the plane in the air for up to five days at a time.

Solar flight isn't new, but Piccard's project is the most ambitious.

In 1980, a fragile ultra-lightweight experimental solar plane called the Gossamer Penguin flew short demonstration flights with one pilot on board. A bigger project called the Solar Challenger flew a single pilot from France to England in 1981 in a trip lasting more than five hours.

Solar plane technology recalls the early days of manned flight, and the slow ascent of the Solar Impulse was somewhat reminiscent of the Wright brothers' pioneering experiments in 1903.

Wilbur and Orville Wright also progressed from short hops to longer flights after 1905, reaching average speeds above 30 mph (48 kph) and only slightly slower than the Solar Impulse.

The loud clicks of the Swiss plane's four propellers added another hint of nostalgia. And designers acknowledged the same worries that preoccupied the first fliers.

"The first crucial question was: Do we have enough power to fly?" said Borschberg. "The second crucial thing was: Are we capable of landing this airplane, is it controllable?"

"It was two hours of deep emotion," he added, calling the test flight the high point of seven years of work on the project. "The airplane has landed but we have not yet landed."

Borschberg followed the flight in a helicopter. Below waited numerous people involved with the project and Piccard, who comes from a long line of adventurers. His late father, Jacques, was an oceanographer and engineer who plunged deeper beneath the ocean than any other man. His grandfather Auguste, also an engineer, was the first man to take a balloon into the stratosphere.

On Wednesday, the Solar Impulse reached an altitude of 5,500 feet. After a gentle landing, Scherdel emerged from the cockpit with his arms raised, and the team broke open bottles of champagne.

When the plane attempts to circle the globe, the team will have to monitor conditions closely to ensure the aircraft follows the best weather. Ground crews will stay close to provide service at each stop, he said.

"Round-the-world will seem impossible until we do it," Piccard said. "Today is an absolutely incredible milestone."

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salty

No. You are very confused.

Q.E.D.

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salty

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