I would like to install safety grab bars in the tub/showers of the
house I just bought. However I found that when I press on the side of
shower wall, the plastic (fiberglass?) is about 3/8 inch away from
the wall. I am afraid installing the bars and squeezing the plastic
tight to the wall will cause it to break. Any suggestions?
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 8:05:27 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
slate_leeper is concerned about the shower wall cracking just from the
bending required to move it back to the studs. Do you really think anchors
that just grip the back of the flexible wall material are going to provide
the required support of a *safety* grab bar?
For a grab bar, I wouldn't trust those types of anchors in drywall itself,
never mind a thin, flexible shower wall. We're not hanging a picture in the
shower, we're talking about a person's safety.
Sounds pretty dangerous to me. If you "have to maintain suction" how can you
be sure that suction will be present when the support is actually needed?
I'm not talking about times when the bar can be tested prior to use, I'm
talking about a time when a slip is occurring and the bar is grabbed in panic.
The suction cup bars are not intended to be a grab bar but as a handle
to steady yourself. Before remodeling the bathrooms we had one for that
and it was a big help, but I'd not trust my life to it.
When stepping in or out of the shower it is a great device to avoid a
slip or fall but may not hod if you put all your weight on it. Much
better than nothing to hold.
We now have ceramic tile and properly installed bars and work great.
Anyone over 60 or with balance problems should have something to hold.
On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 1:52:40 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
That's like putting a railing around a deck to let people know where the
edge is but not making it strong enough to lean on or strong enough to
withstand a person tripping into it.
Insalling a device that gives the illusion of safety can be more dangerous
than no device at all. If you had your hand on that suction attached bar
and you slipped, would you have the reaction time to take your hand off
or would you instinctively rely on it?
If the bar slipped even when you weren't using it to support your entire
weight, you'd suddenly be unexpectedly off balance and suddenly using to support your weight.
With no grab bar (or no railing) users (especially unfamiliar users) are
aware that there is no safety device and will rely only on what is
available as opposed to having a false sense of security.
You used the words "properly installed". Doesn't that imply that the other
one wasn't "properly installed"?
It does not give the illusion of safety, it help you step steadily. It
adds to your safety. It is secure enough to help as a balance aid, it
is not meant to take all your weight, though it may.
So with nothing you just slip and fall. I used one and highly recommend
it if you have reason to want to be steady due to injury, arthritis,
whatever. You are denigrating something you never used.
Not at all. The present bar is different design and is screwed into
the studs as opposed to some anchors in sheetrock.
If I said my new car had no flat tires would you assume my old car had
I agree with DD. In general, ANY object or bar within a grabbing area
always provides a sense of security. If a counter is within reach of a
shower/tub entrance, that counter is a sense of security to grab for
support. If a bar is installed, it provides a user a sense of security
to grab that bar for full support. One doesn't view a bar and say, "Oh,
this is only for me to maintain a little bit of balance as I step in"
one views it and assumes the thing will keep them from falling on their
ass providing they have the arm strength to hold themself up.
BUT...... since this is a residential home whereas the occupants who use
the bar often are aware of the mounting method of the bar or device,,
then I can see your point in "knowing" it's not a device to completely
rely on for a fall. In that, I wouldn't invite guest for overnight visits.
than to believe a suction cupped device will completely support your
weight if the chance of a complete fall partakes. One day, it may not
provide the support even for a minor issue of balance whereas a properly
secured device will not fail.
Bottom line, you're the one who uses it, it's your choice, but if you
have overnight guest, I hope nothing happens to them or you could be
facing a lawsuit.
On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"*though* it may" is not something I wish to be involved with.
...and it's something I will never use.
The body's instinct is "grab tighter" to whatever the hand is holding onto
during a fall. I've been in that situation and if not for the flexibility
of my young hands at the time, I probably would have broken 8 of my fingers.
I should have let go of what I was holding onto, but that is not what the
brain tells the body to do.
Why would I want to use something that it not intended to support my weight
if my body is going to depend on it when I need it?
If and when I (or anyone I love) needs the stability of a grab bar, I will get
out the tools and install it "properly". If I'm the affected party and can't
install it myself, I'll pay someone to do it. I do not consider suction cups
to be a proper installation for a grab bar.
So it is better to have nothing and fall? Seriously, that sounds dumb.
See comment above.
Your choice. Hope you never fall.
Because it helps you keep your balance and keeps you safer. Maybe when
you get older you will understand how any aid is better than no aid.
Even a plain wall is better than air, bit a handle is better than a
Good for you. It is not an option for everyone so they do what helps.
The suction cup handles are a big help for some. Strong enough that I
could never pull one off unless I wanted to
Congratulations on your good health. I used to have that too, as did my
On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Are you saying that without the grab bar you would have fallen?
As I've before (and later), when it gets to a point that I feel I need a grab
bar to prevent myself (or a loved one) from falling, I'll install one that
is securely attached to the wall.
See comment above.
Thank you. (You do realize that my "never use" applies to a suction cup
grab bars, not grab bars or support aids in general, don't you?
Thank you for including the wall. You see, it really wasn't really "nothing"
after all. ;-)
However, your comment about my age and the advantages of an aid is a bit
confusing. Did you not read what I said in the next paragraph?
When there's a need for a grab bar I'll install one/have one installed. I
never said I was against "aids". I said I was against aids that I do not feel
When did you install the grab bar? When you realized that you needed some
support, correct? Why do you not think that I will do the same thing? The
only difference is, mine won't have suction cups.
Yup...there it is! I knew I put it there. ;-)
The mere fact that you could pull it off if you wanted to tells me that if you
were to have to use it to support your entire weight during a fall, it may
not have helped. By the time you knew what was happening, you be swinging the
grab bar around in mid air as you hit the ground. No time to let go and reach
for a wall, a window frame, anything. I don't want a bar that I can pull off
"unless I wanted to", I want a bar that I can't pull off.
As I said, I'm not against grab bars. All I have said all along is that when
I feel I need one, I'll install one that I feel is going to be safe in the
worst of situations.
I am not without sympathy for any health issues you may be experiencing, but
this isn't about anyone's health. It's about suction cups vs. lag screws.
Possible. It is something to hold onto to maintain balance. A good
aid. Would I have fallen? Can''t answer that but I could step out with
Good for you. That is not an option for everyone.
Sure, but as I said. not everyone has that choice and the suction cup is
much safer than nothing.
Wall helps, but it is not as good as something you can grip so I bought
and used the suction cup. Much better.
Not everyone can do that. The OP, for instance is having a difficult
time, others would have an even harder time.
I installed a better bar after getting rid of the fiberglass shower and
doing a complete remodel. To go from a suction cup to a screwed in bar
took about three weeks and $15,000. Not everyone has that option. I
went from a 34" fiberglass shower to a 48" ceramic tile and glass door.
As i said, something is better than nothing. You seem to prefer nothing
until you can do it your way. Not everyone has that option.
Oh, I already said that.
Showing your ignorance. There is a release to pull it off. You are
very critical of something you've never used or tried. They work very well.
No. it is about a darned good support versus an excellent support when
you have little or no option. What you can do is not what everyone else
can do. If it was unsafe it would not have been in my bathroom.
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 9:02:31 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...and that's where I'm not sure I agree with you, so let's just agree to
disagree on that point.
The OP is not having a "difficult time". He is simply asking questions and
voicing a concern. In fact if Clare is right, he's a few screws away from
completing the job.
Are you kidding me? Are you implying that people need to spend $15K to go
from a suction cup bar to a screw in bar? Of course "not everyone has that
option" but that's not the only option. In fact, it has nothing to do with
Good grief. I'll say it one more time and then I promise to give up because
you are obviously not listening. I'll even put this on it's own line so
there's no chance that you won't see it.
When I *need* a bar, I'll put in the type I want.
Here, just in case you missed that:
When I *need* a bar, I'll put in the type I want.
How's does that equate to "prefer nothing or my way"?
I prefer nothing *now* because I don't need a bar. I never once said that I
would forgo a bar when the time comes that I need one. I also prefer not to
install a wheelchair ramp to my front door because I don't need one. I also
prefer not to rip out my bathtub and put in a walk-in shower. Guess why?
Yup, *I don't need one*.
Yeah, you keep saying that, all the while ignoring the main point of my
objection to suction cups. So be it.
No, it's not - not to me. That's what you keep missing.
Of course not but you would rather jump to a wrong conclusion. The
suction cup bar was very satisfactory and easy to install. Very happy
Then you asked a question and I gave the answer. I remodeled both
bathrooms because I wanted to update them. Had nothing to do with grab
bars other than it makes sense to have them. You took a straightforward
answer and tried to read too much into it.
Good. I did the same.
You implied a suction cup bar was a danger compared to nothing, same as
a deck rail that will not support you.
| > Sure, but as I said. not everyone has that choice and the suction cup is
| > much safer than nothing.
| ...and that's where I'm not sure I agree with you, so let's just agree to
| disagree on that point.
I'd agree with your agreeable disagreement. :)
I've installed bars a number of times. (My customer
base is aging along with me.) They come with 3
long, thick stainless steel screws for each end
that need to be into solid wood. I wouldn't agree
to buy or install suction cup hardware for a customer.
I guess the options would depend on the situation.
device would be anything close to safe or effective. The thin plastic
shell of the surriund is nit decurely fastened to the backing or the
studs of the wall. The suction cups may stick perfectly to the
plastic, but a slip would cause the suction cups to tear the tub liner
right off the wall making a dangerous situation even worse.
On 7/29/2016 9:06 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Having taken out two of those surrounds, I'd not be at all concerned
The suction cup is meant to be a device to steady you while stepping in
or out of the shower or tub. They can take a lot of force, but are not
designed to fully support a 300# person. Used properly, they are a good
I used one for a long time. I find it fascinating that people that
never saw or used one can tell me how bad they are. They can prevent a
serious fall. Get back to me when you have first hand experience. I
have a lot of it with no problems.
surround they are pretty safe. I have also removed a lot of poorly
installed cheap tub surrounds that I would NEVER install a suction cup
handle tro. We don't know how strong the plastic liner is - all we
know is it is not securely fastened.
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