Should the U.S. pull out of Chicago ?

[DD_BobK]

On Jan 1, 6:25=A0pm, Norminn wrote: BIG SNIP

[Norminn]

I saw three buttons, each with different fee for downloading. That's generally enough :o) I beg your generous and kind pardon, sire.

[Doug Miller]

Norminn wrote in news:yaednRrOnKgwJ37NnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

And the fact that there was a dramatic reduction in crime in NYC, and an

*increase* in Chicago and DC *should* have told you that lead pollution doesn't have very much, if anything, to do with crime rates.

But apparently you're not smart enough to figure that out.

[Doug Miller]

Norminn wrote in news:B4OdnVZanZ9cKX7NnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

And I *am* laughing at your idiotic inability to answer one simple question. You are really, really stupid.

[HeyBub]

Look, the Supreme Court, in expanding on the 6th Amendment, said that not only is everyone entitled to a lawyer in every criminal proceeding, but that the state should provide an attorney if the defendant can't afford counsel.

By the same legal logic, the state should provide a firearm to those unable to buy their own.

It's real math.

[krw]

Failure to answer the question noted. Again. You are a real dumbshit, Norma.

[Attila Iskander]

Last time I looked crime went down 25% in the 2 years following Heller. As to NYC, there are a LOT of factors involved with crime, gun ownership is a NON-cause as per the CDC and NAS On the other had, per John Lott, lawful ownership does have an effect on REDUCING crime. So what exactly was the point of your question ?

[Attila Iskander]

The question may be "simple" But the answer is not And only a simpleton or a liar is stupid enough to imagine that all "simple" questions automatically have "simple" answers. Which are you ?

[Attila Iskander]

You don't have enough data to make a causal claim in either direction

You haven't figured out the difference between correlation and causality, yet So you're really in NO position to make such remarks.

[Attila Iskander]

BIG SNIP

# # # Norminn (aka DW) # #Try again... #scroll down & click on the link that says.... # #Download Mother Jones - January/February 2013 # #Read & follow the logic path. it leads to a free download. # # Come on back if you need more help.

Why would anyone want to download that piece of trash ??

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1min$ima$ [e-mail]:

DO try to keep up.

Norminn claimed that the elimination of leaded gasoline was responsible for the reducition in crime in NYC under Giuliani; the point of the question was to show the total idiocy of that claim, in light of the crime rates in other major cities.

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1mio$ima$ [e-mail]:

If you had been paying attention to the thread from the beginning, you wouldn't be so confused now.

Or maybe you would. You're not very smart.

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1mio$ima$ [e-mail]:

I didn't. Norminn did, and I called her on it.

You're addressing those remarks to the wrong person, dolt. Pay more atttention to who's writing what in the future, and you won't look such a fool.

[Attila Iskander]

I do keep up and there was NO SUCH CLAIM

YOU are the one who is jumping up and down trying to make believe that there was some >>CAUSAL

[Attila Iskander]

I have been paying attention and ulike you, I'm pretty clear on what was posted Maybe you should go back and ACTUALLY read the original material There was NO >>causality Or maybe you would. You're not very smart.

I'm probably a lot smarter than you, sonny At least I know the difference between simple correlation and causality You apparently haven't reached that level yet.

[Attila Iskander]

Actually she didn't That was you jumping forward But poor reading skills can do that.

You're the one trying to argue causality here Neither the article or the person posting it, made such a claim

And compared to you, even a rock is less foolish

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1pfa$74b$ [e-mail]:

All right, she *implied* that. Happy now?

My point still stands: you're addressing your remarks to the wrong person. Complain to Norminn, not me. Dumbass.

This is the second time you've gotten me mixed up with someone else.

Pay more attention to who's writing what in the future, and you won't look such a fool. Maybe.

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1qt6$h00$ [e-mail]:

Obviously not.

If you had been paying attention as you claim, you would realize that the one confusing correlation and causality was Norminn, not me.

But you're too stupid to realize that.

[Doug Miller]

" Attila Iskander" wrote in news:kc1qt7$h00$ [e-mail]:

No, I'm not. Work on that reading comprehension problem for a while before you post again.

[Norminn]

news:kc1min$ima$ [e-mail]:

the reducition in

idiocy of that claim,

I made no such claim...here is what I wrote:

" Mayor G. got a lot of credit for reducing crime, but it might have been due more to the reduction of lead in gasoline."

I didn't say that lead was the cause or that Mayor G. did not influence the changes. I ALLOWED for the possibility, based on data presented in the article, that changes related to lead poisoning.

Snippet from the article: "For one thing, violent crime actually peaked in New York City in 1990, four years before the Giuliana-Bratton era. By the time they took office, it had already dropped 12 percent."