I've got some popcorn ceilings that I hate, but unfortunately I had
them tested and they had a significant amount of asbestos on them. I
don't really want to pay to have it professionally removed, so I'm
searching for alternatives to removal at this point. The only choice
I've found is to sheetrock over the popcorn. However, several of the
rooms are extremely big (25x30), and I've been told by my contractor
that I would not be happy with the results in such a big room, as the
new sheet rock would appear "lumpy" due to the uneven surface it is
being attached to.
Are the other alternatives? Is there a way to make sheetrocking
work(put an additional frame over the popcorn before sheetrocking?)
The ceiling is only 8' tall so I can't really do anything that would
significantly lower it.
First off, there may not be any asbestos at all. If the house was built
after 1977, it was not permitted.
Next step, is why sheetrock over good sheetrock? Have you tried removing
the stuff? It comes off easily with water and a sponge.
"I've met with my contractor "
Well that was your first mistake, now you are stuck.
"It is easy or I would not say it was. My wife did it all. Oh, maybe that's
why I though it was easy. ;)
Way to go.
Correct, I found the original post and see there is asbestos. Yes, you can
remove it yourself, but you do have to comply with the law regarding removal
and disposal. Generally, it should be wet down to keep it from blowing
around during removal, rooms must be sealed off during removal and special
protective clothing should be worn, including respirators.
Well, let me first say that I appreciate everyone attempting to answer
my questions. That being said, everybody in the thread has I believe
completely missed the point of the question :)
The ceiling IS asbestos. It has been tested as such. I have no
intention of removing it myself, for safety and legal reasons. In my
state, it must be professionally removed. Professional removal is way
too expensive for my purposes. The reason I want it removed is merely
because I don't like the look of popcorn on the ceiling, not that I'm
afraid for my safety or anything. And, well, updating the look simply
isn't worth the price of safe removal.
So I am left with two options: (1) leave it as is (2) make the ceiling
flat without removing the popcorn or in some way causing asbestos to
seep into the air. My problem is that the only option for #2 that I
have heard about is to simply sheetrock over the popcorn, which for
this large a room presents a major problem as far as how it will look
when its done. So my question is basically is there any other way to
make the ceiling flat without removing the popcorn and without the
simplistic "sheetrock over it". Is there something I can do to prep
the ceiling short of asbestos removal that would help make
sheetrocking over it look more even? Putting in spacers? I don't
know, that's why I'm asking.
Well, that takes me back to my last answer; get professional advice.
For instance, in NYS if you put up your new drywall, you would have to
disclose that there is asbestos of unknown condition under the new ceiling.
I doubt anyone would then buy your house at any price; in fact, I doubt you
could even get a realtor to list it until you had it all professionally
ripped out. Your law might be even stricter.
If you are not concerned about having asbestos on your ceiling, you should
It is only a danger if the fibers are inhaled. It is perfectly legal to
seal them with paint and other materials to render them harmless to
occupants. The danger is in removing and creating dust, cutting into the
ceiling, or other work that can create asbestos dust. If it sits in place
for a million years, it will be of no harm to you.
altho it takes A LOT of sheetrock mud you can just mud over the popcorn,
being careful to not disturb it. if you want to be sure that it is nice and
tight, then you can paint it (ideally airless spray) first and when dry then
mud over it. the paint will also keep the popcorn from sucking up the mud.
NOW ONE OTHER caveat - if you have radiant heat in the ceiling - it is
integral to the popcorn of the ceiling and too much moisture will bring the
WHOLE thing down.
"Age is...wisdom, if one has lived
one's life properly." --Miriam Makeba, singer
In Florida you can encapsulate the asbestos and leave it in place, but
I doubt that's actually possible on a ceiling. The issue is future
remodeling, and unless you can encapsulate both top and bottom, you'll
have a liability.
Also, locally, the only houses with asbestos that sell are the ones
that are being bulldozed fro new ones. Any other sale is always
contingent on the seller removing the asbestos and providing proof of
removal. Fortunately in our area, asbestos use was rare in
Wow, sounds like a pretty harsh neighborhood. In my area, I'm
guessing that 90% of all houses have asbestos in the ceilings. And
floors. And lead paint on the walls, all of which are disclosed when
selling and none of which appear to impede the sales in any way. But
you mentioned asbestos was rare in your neighborhood, which may
explain people's inherent aversion to buying a house with it. In my
neighborhood, they've got no choice.
It is legal in my state to encapsulate it. The problem I have is that
the only way I've heard to encapsulate it is to sheetrock over it,
which won't achieve the look I desire (according to the contractor).
I'm looking for other ways to do so (that maybe the contractor is
unfamiliar with, or at least ways to make sheetrocking work.
People in this group seem to be under the impression that I haven't
gotten professional advice. I have. I've met with my contractor and
asbestos removal firms. In order to have it legally removed, I must
use an asbestos removal firm, who must set up a negative pressure
situation in my house for a week while removing the asbestos. The
cost is extremely high, and the inconvenience is pretty great (move
out for a week, move out all furniture, etc.). I cannot, as some have
suggested, simply wet it down and legally remove it. It is not legal
to do so in my state. Considering the only reason I want it removed
is that I don't like the "look" of popcorn, it simply isn't worth it
to me to have it professionally removed. I'd rather just leave it as
is than spend $5000 or more just to get my ceiling to look a little
can't you screw 1x2's to the existing studs, and resheetrock as if it were a
new ceiling? you'd have to make sure the existing ceiling could hold the
weight, but large rooms are made frequently enough that a new ceiling could
be possible. it would of course, shorten the height.
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Right. It is not legal to exceed 65 mph either.
You pose no risk to anyone but yourself in the removal process and the risk
is minimal. I'd say that homeowners around the country have been taking it
down themselves and either don't know or don't care that it contains
asbestos. I never had mine tested, never even thought it would have
asbestos, don't know if it did as the house was built in 1978. It has been
down for at least 5 years and the first I heard of asbestos was here about a
Ignorance is bliss?
On 22 Oct 2003 14:46:54 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (Actor 123) wrote:
Likely due to age and climate. Locally, a 30 year old house is an
antique, and the 1950's era that may have asbestos and lead paint are
often being torn down for the lots. There's almost no asbestos in
residential heating systems here, and asbestos siding is the most
common form, and it's also rare. It's also easier to deal with.
Sheetrock is the standard, though locally you have to ensure there is
no access from above either. That may be due to the fact that we have
99% single floor homes.
Then you're probably stuck with sheetrock. Or not changing it.
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