"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly Old
But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the fungating
pustules that are HOAs.
I do not feel sorry for anyone in the HOAs. They should know what they are
getting into when they move in. While I fly an American Flag at my house,
the old man should not have one up or should move out if he wants to fly
Maybe congress should pass a law that lets one fly the flag, over rulling
the HOA. I think they did something like that for the small satellite
I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a house.
Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5 years ago for
the house I now live in.
I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
One HOA president decided he would bang on my garage door. He lives
across the street.
I change plans, grabbed my gun, not knowing who it was. Told the man
he nearly got shot or possibly could have been.
I taught him about "violations".
We live on a well armed street and hold or weapons in dear regard.
No way would I ever buy in an HOA neighborhood, even if I could afford a
house as fancy as they usually are. (If I had that much cash, I'd rather
have a small plain place on ten acres somewhere.) All the petty
politics aside, I don't care for homogenized blah beige subdivisions.
But mainly, if I gonna be paying assesments and such, I may as well
rent. The power to file liens is the power to destroy.
In my area in Florida, the choice likely will come down to either an HOA
or a cluster of dirt (sand) roads, shacks, five vehicles and four pit
bulls per residence....there isn't a lot of in-between in unincorporated
I've been to Florida. Once you can't smell the ocean any more, you may
as well be in Louisiana. Unless a job required it (and it would have to
be a great job), I wouldn't live in Florida, at least the inland part.
(And I own a house in Louisiana, so I do know what it is like.)
I've been there in summer- didn't care for it. Don't care for MI winters
either. When retirement comes, I'm gonna either have to buy a place
somewhere where there is a happy medium, or become a snowbird.
Heh. I don't think there is any one place with a decent climate. Probably
need more than two for climate perfections. When my 'Rents retired to Chapel
Hill, NC in the early 80s, they loved it. By the time my dad died in the
late 90s, the heat was so bad that my mom was a prisoner inside the house
for 9 months a year. So...of all bizarre things, she decided to move back UP
HERE, to "cold/snowville" for 9 months a year. Except...yeah, it's not 60
degrees or anything, but it's nowhere near as cold or as snowy here as it
"used to be", and she can walk outside for 8 months of the year. That's all
she really wants, and at 86, she should get what she wants! Especially in
her retirement "cottage" where they mow all the grass, plow all the macadam,
and there is "staff" in the dining room! Plus, she has a garage, so she
doesn't have to clear off the car when she wants to go out!
DH and I? We're planning on getting a giant RV and buying a "lot" or "space"
on the coast in Belize. Decided that years ago. Very annoyed that,
apparently, EVERYone has been told to retire there. Then, again, the places
we liked were not exactly "luxe" accommodations. Drive the RV in, hook-up,
walk 20 feet down the beach into the surf, and you're snorkeling on the reef
in 10 seconds. Hurricane coming? Drive your RV away. Not "luxe", but simple,
easy, and safe. My favorite town/village/settlement had a great cafe with
NYC cheesecake flown in twice a week, too! I'm sure that the "yuppies" will
have killed that place long before DH and I are ready, but we have many
years yet, and things change.
He's only 42 and doesn't plan to retire until 70, so I'll be well into my
80s by then...so glad I'm self-employed :)
Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.
read about heart surgery and how to prepare for it at:
I think that's called buying a pig in a poke. If I just *had* to
have that property-- but they wouldn't let me see it before I bought
it, I wouldn't close. [and *it* can be the property or the bylaws-
no difference] No sympathy from this quarter- no matter how draconian
their HOA is.
Thank you, Jim, for all your tender mercies and sympathy. I wasn't asking
for them, but only relating a story that had to do with the thread.
read about heart surgery and how to prepare for it at:
re: "The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close."
That's easy to say from afar, but we don't really know what the
circumstances were, do we?
There could have been issues related to family, jobs, schools,
housing, medical, loans, finances, etc.
Maybe they *had* to close by a certain date and couldn't wait any
longer without suffering consequences that were unbearable - to
*them*. We're all different.
I'm all for following "protocol" but there can often be extenuating
circumstances that force protocol to the side.
And as I've said twice before in this thread:
Protocol can sometimes be pushed aside due to extenuating
Yes, that may be the *proper* protocol to follow, but there are often
times, in many facets of our life, when proper protocol just cannot be
P.S. Your statement could be modified to read: "This offer to purchase
is contingent on review and acceptance of the HOA restrictions."
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