Semi-OT: Email Program

[Jim Wilkins]

Oops, I typed that from memory. It's 41.0.2 on XP.

[badgolferman]

Don't be afraid of Windows 7. It's actually very good and stable. I regret updating to Windows 10 recently though.

I switched from a client side email program to Gmail several years ago. Webmail is far more convenient and reliable than backing up the email fails myself. I can also check it anywhere, and since most of us use smartphones now it just makes way more sense.

[rbowman]

I don't know why it doesn't do NWS. I don't even get the banner saying "Are you really, really sure you want to let Flash out of its cage?"

[rbowman]

I've had no problems with 7. Microsoft is really starting to annoy me though. I uninstalled all the Windows 10 related patches, his them, and so forth and the damn Windows 10 ad is back. I uninstalled KB whatever again.

Supposedly they're going to get even more persistent in the future.

[Steve W.]

Already starting, the new updates for all windows flavors include the "Switch to Win 10" taskbar tag.

[Mayayana]

| When I'm using dialup and speed really shows, IE8 loads uncached sites | faster than Firefox 42. Also Firefox won't display enhanced NWS | weather radar and doesn't suggest which plug-in is missing. I fiddled | with Adobe and some Mozilla-suggested Flash alternatives a bit, then | went back to IE8. | -jsw |

The landing page I get doesn't need anything, but if I click on the map it goes to a page set to loop. On that page is Flash. There's a blurb saying that Java is required for looping, but that's commented out, so I'm guessing it was replaced with Flash. I don't have Flash installed so I can't test that. I just get a gray panel saying, "a plugin is required...". It sounds like there may be a problem with your Flash install.

If it's working for you in IE8 that means you must have script and ActiveX enabled. That's *very* risky. I haven't allowed any version of IE online for many years and wouldn't. It's not only a security mess. It's also been the major target for many years, so there are a lot of known exploits, involving script- based attacks in IE.

[rbowman]

doesn't ask for any plugins.

does if you click on the map. I get the 'Do you want to allow Flash to run. blurb. Given that it's a government site they'll probably be using Flash after everyone else has moved on.

[Spehro Pefhany]

And avoid using XP Internet Explorer under (almost) all circumstances.

--sp

[Ed Huntress]

I agree. IE8 comes up short so often that I abandoned it on my one XP machine. I run Firefox on that one, and it runs fine.

That machine is a Dell netbook with 32 GB of SSD and no hard drive. I use it travelling and I store no files on it. When I come home from using it, I wipe the SSD clean and reload the entire OS and the few applications I use on it. I spent many hours a few years ago stripping down XP to the essentials, and I can reload everything from an external hard drive in five minutes (an image file), or from a CD in about 10 minutes.

[Jim Wilkins]

A CD??

I had to strip out MS Office, OpenOffice and the .pdf reader to fit a bootable Acronis restore image of XP onto a single-sided DVD.

-jsw

[Mayayana]

| A CD?? | | I had to strip out MS Office, OpenOffice and the .pdf reader to fit a | bootable Acronis restore image of XP onto a single-sided DVD. |

I also have CD disk images. (BootIt. I've never used Acronis.) I only have 5 GB for my C drive altogether, in normal use. I keep data on data partitions. XP alone is about 1 GB, so a typical disk imaging program can create an image file of about 500 MB. That means one can add about 500 MB of software and still get it onto a CD.

A lot of software is getting very bloated these days, and Microsoft led the way with MS Office. But if one avoids bloat there's plenty of room in 500 MB.

With Win7, though, I'd agree. That's a mess and would take some work to squeeze onto a single DVD.

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

About the only time I use any version of Internet Explorer is to see how my website looks on it.

Firefox is better (and you can still use the latest version on XP).

[Ed Huntress]

Sure. I have to use those old things for *something*!

This is a bootable Acronis disk. It's around 350 MB, and I think it has an old version of Firefox on it, and maybe a free WP. My netbook is giving me a "disk error" message or I'd check.

I'd put a copy in my Dropbox, and invite you to download, except I think you're using dial-up, right?

I stripped off all of the backup files and a ton of other junk that I don't remember. I spent most of a day researching the Web to see what I could safely delete. The backup files, alone, knock the OS size in half.

[TomR]

I haven't had any security issues, but I read that since XP is no longer supported there can be security issues because there are no more security updates coming out for XP.

I was able to keep MSE antivirus, and maybe that helps.

My main point about choosing W7 over XP, if you have an option, is just that W7 works well and seems very stable (like XP always was), and W7 can still receive security updates and can be upgraded to W10 for free until July of

2016.

[Jim Wilkins]

Usually I just clone the master hard drive to a 'sandbox' one from my flea market collection, and update the master when the AV changes versions. The DVD is to restore the OS after a serious infection by booting it from a read-only drive.

[Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney]

Someone mentioned Thunderbird for Windows 2000. I can't find that posting and also can't find a verision that works on 2000 on the thunderbird website. Any help appreciated!

"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message news: [e-mail]... Folks, these are the two best groups on usenet for real practical help, so pls pardon the semi-OT post.

Let me start out by saying I have been happy with Windows and Outlook Express for 20 years until now. I have 2000 on this computer and no serious problems or plans to change OS, except now Outlook Express is acting up. I won't go into the sob story, but I need to install a 3rd part email program. If it won't work with 2000, I'll change to XP, but won't install 7 or 8.

I'd rather ask you fellers and fellerettes instead of the computer groups because I need "practical" advice that I can install in one hour or less and not tie up several weekends trying to set it up and download updates.

Thanks in advance!! Happy Friday!!! It's 5 o'clock somewhere!!

Snuffy

[Retired]

Try here

[Jim Wilkins]

Let me start out by saying I have been happy with Windows and Outlook Express for 20 years until now. I have 2000 on this computer and no serious problems or plans to change OS, except now Outlook Express is acting up. I won't go into the sob story, but I need to install a 3rd part email program. If it won't work with 2000, I'll change to XP, but won't install 7 or 8.

I'd rather ask you fellers and fellerettes instead of the computer groups because I need "practical" advice that I can install in one hour or less and not tie up several weekends trying to set it up and download updates.

Thanks in advance!! Happy Friday!!! It's 5 o'clock somewhere!!

Try Thunderbird 12.

Snuffy

[Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney]

posting and also can't find a verision that works on 2000 on the thunderbird website. Any help appreciated!

help, so pls pardon the semi-OT post.

Outlook Express for 20 years until now. I have 2000 on this computer and no serious problems or plans to change OS, except now Outlook Express is acting up. I won't go into the sob story, but I need to install a 3rd part email program. If it won't work with 2000, I'll change to XP, but won't install 7 or 8.

groups because I need "practical" advice that I can install in one hour or less and not tie up several weekends trying to set it up and download updates.

Thanks!

[Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney]

Thanks again! I checked the old apps site and they claim versions up to at least 31 are compatitble with 2000. Is there an advantage to going with 12 over the later ones?