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Hi Stormin',

Not the same guy(s). Mormons are there own religion.

And, yes there are lots of Christians out there with various minor differences in what we believe. But, we all believe in the "same" guy. Your Jesus and your gods are much different than our only god, much different.

And here is the thing about tolerance between religions. You have to understand that if you assert that your guy(s) is the same one as my guy, what your religion believes about my guy is deeply offensive to us (non-virgin birth, sex with humans, multiple gods, the Bible is wrong, etc.).

It is better to just say you are your own separate religion. Then there will be no offense between us. And we can appreciate each others good works.

-T

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Since I am having to explain my jokes, back when some ass hole proclaimed you were going to die and a particular day, I jumped in to defend you with a lot of baloney to thumb my nose at the ass hole. The Elvis suit as a play on all the Elvis sightings. "Elvis was spotted pumping gas at the local 7-11."

Do you remember me asking you if I could have your stereo? You offered me you old 8 track tape instead.

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Todd

Hi Stormin',

Those pins can be annoying.

Maybe the two of us (note we are both in heaven) can go down and pump gas at the 7-11 together. We can flip to see who gets to wear the Elvis suit and who gets to wear the Liberace suit. Can't wait to see the headlines in the gossip rags. Can't wait to hear the conversation down in the Celestial golf course. "How come those two get to pump gas at the 7-11 and we have to play gold, IN CALIFORNIA ?!?!"

:-)

-T

I wonder if anyone is going to take the above seriously. There are liberals on this group, which means no sense of humor.

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Todd

I will make sure the newspaper is made out of Nerf.

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Todd

The reason your teachings and the Latter-day teachings are different, is that your guys didn't have a way to keep the doctrine pure, after the Crucifixion. The church fell into apostasy. Thus the need for a restoration.

Yes, it's the same Jesus in the Bible and in the Book of Mormon. Which is why the LDS church teaches extensively from the King James Version.

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Stormin Mormon

Vaguely remember the schtick about my date of death, and the eight track. Meantime, I can't find it, so I must have sold it some time ago.

Wasn't Elvis also at Walmart, recently?

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

Most likely, a few will take it seriously. I can't get too worried about it, though. I'm too busy polishing my faux gold statue of Angel Moroni, probably Brasso. Next, I'm trying to decide which dish washer detergent to use to clean up my golden Angel Moroni (R) dinner dishes and plates. Are they safe with TSP and hot water in the dish washer?

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Hi Stormin',

The Orthodox church has been there since Jesus founded it on the faith of his disciples. Same church, same teachings for the last 2000+ years. The Orthodox church, among other things, has been given the responsibility to preserve that faith. It has done so rather well. One unbroken faith stretching back 2000+ years. No one fell anywhere. You can easily verify what I say by opening history books on the subject.

Speaking of the King James, do you have a problem with

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, ?Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.? --Acts 1:9-11

Something missing? Something not quite right? King James has Jesus going to heaven, not a word about "Hey guys, I am off to the new world to form a sinful polygamist family with a bunch of these women."

By "Apostasy", I have to think that you mean you do not like what the Ancient church teaches/taught. Or the King James for that matter.

You are picking and choosing what you want from the King James.

By the way, when I visited Grease, I walked where Saint Paul walked. There is voluminous archaeological evidence of the early Christian and the Jewish faith from where we came. You can even view the original Bible texts.

On the other hand, no one can view your original texts. There is zero archaeological evidence of Jesus coming to the new world, let alone living a sinful polygamist life here. All DNA testing of the American Indians says they are Mongolians and not the tiniest drop of Hebrew blood.

What a feeble god to leave no sign of his existence in the new world. Have you walked in the footsteps proof Jesus in the new world? You can travel to middle east and walk in the footsteps of the Christian Jesus and his apostles footsteps, as I and so many others have.

If you are really believing you are a Christian, then be one. Mormonism are not even slightly close to what Christians believe, other than you reused our names. If you think you are a Christian, I am afraid you are the victim of a terrible fraud.

Speaking of the being respectful of other's religions, we know exactly what Saint Mary Magdalene did after the Christian Jesus ascended into heaven. She spread the Gospel all over the place. Her goings and comings are well documented, to the point where she holds the title "Equal to the Apostles". If you assert she did not and instead went to the new world to live a sinful polygamist life with Jesus, you are bearing false witness against both her and Jesus.

This is why I keep trying to get you to just say you are a Mormon. You do not believe anything resembling what Christians believe. And to top it off, what you believe about us is repugnant and morally offensive to us. If you just say you are your own religion, then different strokes for different folks. The Lord created all kinds. Don't claim to be what you are not.

-T

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Todd

Oh man. No eight track tapes ???

That turkey sure gets around

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It is also worth noting that there is a growing body of evidence from New World archaeology that supports the Book of Mormon. Dr. John Clark of the New World Archaeological Foundation has compiled a list of sixty items mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The list includes items such as ?steel swords,? ?barley,? ?cement,? ?thrones,? and literacy. In 1842, only eight (or

13.3%) of those sixty items were confirmed by archaeological evidence. Thus, in the mid-nineteenth century, archaeology did not support the claims made by the Book of Mormon.

As the efforts of archaeology have shed light on the ancient New World, we find in 2005 that forty-five of those sixty items (75%) have been confirmed. Thirty-five of the items (58%) have been definitively confirmed by archaeological evidence and ten items (17%) have received possible?tentative, yet not fully verified?confirmation. Therefore, as things stand at the moment, current New World archaeological evidence tends to verify the claims made by the Book of Mormon.

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Stormin Mormon

I agree, nothing about forming a sinful polygamist family. Fortunately, that's not what Jesus did in the Americas.

He set up His church in the Americas, much as in Jerusalem. He healed the sick, taught the gospel, etc.

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

Well, lets see. I am a member of the one true church, organized by Jesus Christ, and founded through a prophet. We have the apostolic authority, the priesthoods of Aaron and Melchizedik, continuing revelation through the Spirit, and the power and authority to do ordinances. Our members can feel the cleansing of the Atonement, and most get personal revelation. We pray, and get answers to prayers. We get personal revelation through the Spirit in our own lives, and in our stewardship. You're quite mistaken, when you tell me what I'm not.

Actually, you're the one who is being offensive. You're lying about what Mormons believe, keep getting it wrong. And then based on your repeated lies, you keep trying to get *ME* to lie about what I believe. You should be ashamed of your self, claiming the name of Christ, and then degrading the name of the One who never told a lie.

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Stormin Mormon

This from the fellow who has several times written that Moroni called him an abomination. I'd like to know what scripture, verse, or writing was that.

You repeatedly misquote, lie, tell falsehoods, hurl untrue accusations. And then you tell *ME* not to claim to be what I'm not. How about a quote for where Moroni called *YOU* abomination?

And remind us the name of your church? The one that makes people write falsehood at length, hurl accusations, put false and lying words in others mouths, and cause you to believe all kinds of errors about what others teach? We'll see if people flock to the doors of your church to join up.

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Stormin Mormon

WOW! that *IS* some set of "refrigerator freezer troubles"! ;)

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Todd, finding himself frosted out of the Christian family..........

. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus

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Stormin Mormon

If I have done so please forgive me. Would you mind showing me some examples?

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Todd

None of it has been able to withstand any independent scrutiny.. Unfortunately, I think it is wishful thinking on your part.

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Todd

Amongst others, you will find

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?The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him.?

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers.

-- A Discourse by Elder Jedediah M. Grant, Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, Aug. 7, 1853. Reported by G. D. Watt.

Was "Elder Jedediah M. Grant" not one of yours?

From what I can tell, what you say is definitely official LDS teaching. Seems that your "elders" have been busy "elaborating" on it.

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Todd

And you evidence of that is what? What LDS preaches is in directly conflict with Christian teaching.

You know this because?

The truth does not change. It is not relative to the moment. Even when you want statehood.

And again, on what evidence? You certainly have no link to the Christians.

It is okay if you want to start you own church with your own belief system. And, when you come in direct conflict with others religions, be polite and not call yourself their religion. Polytheists and monotheists are two entirely separate things, no matter how many names you reuse.

Look at it this way, both the Muslims and the Jew are also monotheists. Christians use to be a cult of the Jews. Do you see me or any other Christians claiming to be Jewish or Muslim? (It would really annoy them.)

-T

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Todd

And I have told you about twelve times now. Notice that it is from lds.org, the official web site of your church.

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19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ?they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.?

And, since have clearly stated that I think the word in the above quote is the work of the Deceiver, I am clearly an Abomination in the eyes of your church's official web site.

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I will be sure and keep a copy of it so you can accuse me again of lying about your religion.

I can not be held accountable for things written on your official web sites. I am sorry things written them offends you, but I can not do anything about that.

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Todd

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