Questions About Dowsing For Water

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: Then why don't you go get the Million Dollar prize from the Amazing : Randi's foundation?
That foundation has a pretty bad record for changing the terms of what it considers valid tests halfway through. They're zealots.
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They work the same as a ouija. (only one person using each side, or personality of his brain to control the out-come)
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Ulysses wrote: ...

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Which observation, of course, is under the category of "correlation does not imply causation"...
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That's too complicated, which is why you so often hear "Since we invaded Iraq, there've been no attacks on the U.S. mainland." There will always be an audience for correlation.
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No, no. That method is for finding water lines, pipes, and telephone cables. The correct method for dowsing is to use a very limber willow branch shaped like a long wishbone, with the point up and the 2 branches held in each hand with your palms rotated outward. As you walk over the correct spot, the willow point will rotate from up to down. Have done it many many times with the willow always indicating the same spot and not random as one might expect. I admit I never dug a well to prove it was correct, but it was uncanny how the willow always reacted to the same spot.
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Hmm willow trees do like very wet soil and often grow on the edges of lakes.
In my old house my main drain line out to the street was collapsed (clay tile old house). It needed to be dug up and repaired. The plumber came out with a dowser to find the line. He found it, dug down by hand (6 feet deep 3 days of digging). Repaired the line. This was in 1984, the plumber took the job because of a bad economy but he did not own a backhoe, I was impressed but did start to feel pretty sorry for him digging every day in my front lawn. He mentioned he was an ex-convict getting back on his feet, had no problem digging up a line by hand.
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I often wonder if any of the skeptics have actually tried using a couple bent wires. They work for me but I don't base any decisions on what they inidicate without other evidence supporting them. From tests of a few neighbors, friedns and family it seems that they work for at least half of anyone who tries it.
Harry K
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I am a skeptic, but in 1972 when I lived on a farm we had a dowser come tell us where a drain pipe went, and he located it for us. When he left, I picked up his sticks and walked back over his path, and the sticks did seem to dip at the right spot. I have no idea if this is an undiscovered science, or suggestion, but it worked, and I am not gullible about these things.
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I can take a tin can lid, a piece of plate, or most any metal object, and the wires will cross when I walk over the object. This does not explain water in a PVC pipe, but I've used it for years.
One time, we were quail hunting, and I went with some Mormon friends. I dowsed a water line that flowed to a corral, and it was rumored that there was a break 500 yds north where quail congregated. When he saw me do it, I wasn't sure if he was going to allow me back in his truck for the 90 mile trip home. My other friend did some heavy talking, but he thought for sure I was something demonic. But normal people have that reaction sometimes, too. Is there something about me?
Steve
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Uh-huh. Sure. Suggest you contact the James Randi Educational Foundation <http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html and claim your million dollars.
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Then contact the James Randi Educational Foundation <http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html and claim your million dollars.
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On Jun 20, 6:52am, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

So have _you_ actually tried it?
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I remember a test being done on a college campus where students were to find a copper rod using dowzing. The rod was placed randomly at 10 different places along a path and it was found 30% of the time. That wouldnt get you Randi's million dollars but it would break a casino bank.
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Beside the point. You have; you claim it works. Prove it, and you're an instant millionaire.
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On Jun 20, 9:26pm, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

First off, read what I wrote earlier. I don't "claim it works" as in "finds stuff". That the rods do move is a simple demonstration and as I said at least 1/2 of the people trying it will find they move on their own...at least if they are infulenced by the guy holding them it can't be detected...at least I can't.
Have I found stuff using the rods? Yes, but there were other clues to the the locations.
2 wells - proven by drilling - meaningless as here you can hit water almost anyplace.
Septic tank lines for a neighbor. I knew where the tank was but not where the field lay. Dowsed 2 lines correctly - meaningless as that was the only logical place for the field.
Water line traced 1/4 mile to an old school house. Dug at schoolhouse end to fnd that the line entered 180 degrees from where the rods said.
My own septic tank - but then I knew the general location.
etc. etc. etc. and at the end of the day the RODS WILL MOVE. Do they correctly show what I am looking for? Sometimes
Color me as a 'half skeptic'
You are claiming the rods don't show anything but are unwilling to try it yourself apparently.
Harry K
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harry k wrote:

the landscape company i used to work for used the method several times a week to find irrigation lines when no plan was available. It does work.
s
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No amount of cases of it working is going to convince Doug. He knows what he knows and apparently is not about to even try it.
Harry K
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Years ago I read the actual challenge. Seemed to be set up so that it would be all but impossible to find the objects even with a map. It is set up so that it is 100 percent sucess or it is total failure. No partial success allowed.
The true skeptics should at least try it before being so adamant that it doesnt' work.
Harry K
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT), harry k

No it's not. It's based on statistics. If there are 10 boxes and 5 of them have water under them and you can only find the ones with water half time you are doing no better then chance.

It's been tried. It doesn't work. If you think it does, go win a million dollars. Why are you afraid to try? What do you have to lose? Randi sets up the tests just like any proper double blind test whether it's for water dousing or testing a cancer drug.
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of them have water under them and you can only find the ones with water half time you are doing no better "then" chance.
I'm sure you must be an educated person...the word is "than"!
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