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Socialists blame capitalism when things go wrong, and credit government when a little this or that goes right. I wonder what's with socialists, who think government is better than free market?
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .

Funny how idiots like to come out with phrases like "unbridled capitalism" Too bad it's a TOTAL CROCK, and an OUTRIGHT LIE to even try to imply it.
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On Sep 19, 5:03 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

The other thing that gets me is that whenever they find something that isn't right in the world, the immediate answer is that some new law, some new regulation, some new govt program is the solution. Meanwhile govt screws up half of what they try to do, has huge waste and inefficiency. Congress has an approval rating of 13% and these fools turn to them to pass something like Obamacare. As if the clowns in Congress could even begin to understand such a complex problem and formulate a correct solution.
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On 9/18/2012 4:15 PM, David Kaye wrote:

every hour "home guy"
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On 09/18/12 04:15 pm, David Kaye wrote:

If it's socialist to make sure that even the lowest-paid worker has enough to live on and that nobody has to declare bankruptcy because of outrageous medical bills, then Australia is "socialist" and has been even when it had its most right-wing governments.
It makes no sense for Americans to brag about how low their taxes are in comparison to those of many other countries (all the while bitching about how high their taxes are) when they have to pay out large sums of their net income to profit-making entities (or to empire-building "non-profit" entities) for services that are provided at no (or little) extra cost in those other countries.
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

We live in the "Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile" mentality. Little is sacred, especially ethics. We are reaping what we, as a society, have sowed. Perhaps too many lawyers and MBAs compared to folks in engineering and the hard sciences starting back in the 80's. Incentive matter--people chased the buck. Here in the midwest, kids play football and basketball like it will provide them with a future. I know of 3 kids in junior high that currently have broken arms from playing football. The "dream" is still true--work hard (at the right things) and there will most likely be a decent job ready. Sacrifice is not as popular as it might be. Of course, employers are not being as "benevolent" as they might be either--many are taking advantage of the circumstances. The above is all just my opinion as of this moment. I'm not looking for an argument! ; )
Bill

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Indeed, Australia is socialist. The pure definition of socialism: "From each according to ability; to each according to need." It is not an oxymoron to say that a government that wanted to preserve a socialist state would be conservative. It's conservative because they want to preserve the status quo, even if that status quo is socialist.
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David Kaye wrote:

If your tax dollars go to fund the military, the police departments, fire departments, ambulance and emergency services, grade-school and high-school teachers - then why can't the services provided by doctors and hospitals be seen as extensions of those services?
What makes it socialism if you have some level of gov't negotiate the fee schedules for doctors and pay them for services they provide to the public just like you do for teachers, police, military, firemen, etc?
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Federal dollars *SHOULDN'T* go for anything in that list except the military.

It's a forced, direct, transfer of money from one citizen to another. It should come under the fourteenth, if not a dozen other places in the Constitution.
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Turn that around Why should they be ? And where do you actually stop extending those services ?

Nope What makes it socialist is that the government has defined that EVERYONE has a right to it, no matter what they cost, and everyone else, at least the taxpayers MUST pay for it.
Personally, I don't see why I should pay for medical services provided to anyone else, PARTICULARLY when there is no built-in penalty against those who choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle You want to get fat, not exercise, eat junk food, smoke, drink, do drugs, pump out babies to collect more welfare YOU pay for the consequences.
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Again, "From each according to ability; to each according to need." Teachers, police, military, and fire fighters are all provided under a socialist model.
Remember that there are communities where the government does NOT provide fire righters. Instead people organize volunteer fire departments or pay a subscription fee to have fire protection for themselves. The volunteer fire departments have pretty much gone away because people no longer want to volunteer to help out their community. So, most of these have been taken over by the counties in which they were located.
And as for private fire protection, we all know how THAT comes out, "The fire fighters watched the house burn down because the home owner hadn't paid for service."
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Too bad you keep leaving out the 2nd part of that saying

NOPE You're playing word games By that oh so broad definition ANYTIME ANY 2 people get together cooperatively - it's "socialism" TOTAL BULLSHIT

Or MORE CORRECTLY< they were actually regulated out of service by governments which imposed more stringent and expensive requirements on such volunteer services to the point where it was more trouble than it was worth doing.

And ? I think that's a far model for ALL people Why should anyone pay for the services of those too lazy to provide for themselves ?
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Obviously you have no understanding of what conservative means today in the USA. Hint: It's not about preserving the status quo.
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net"

Today's conservative is yesterday's (classical) liberal.
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Obviously you have no understanding of how to read because I wasn't talking about what conservative means in the USA at all. I was talking about how a socialistic country such as Australia could have a conservatrive government that is trying to keep the status quo, that is, socialist policies. I wasn't addressing the USA at all.
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Yes it does, because I would much prefer to pay for those services privately, where I have a choice as to whether I want them or not and who I choose to provide them. How about we have govt provide dinner for you every night and you eat what they give you. Sound good?
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Who leaked the Michelle Obama second term plan?
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .
Yes it does, because I would much prefer to pay for those services privately, where I have a choice as to whether I want them or not and who I choose to provide them. How about we have govt provide dinner for you every night and you eat what they give you. Sound good?
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On Sep 19, 9:13 am, "Stormin Mormon"

LOL. That's a good one. Actually we're already heading in that direction. Bloomberg in NYC has banned transfats in restaurants, banned sodas over 16 ounces in restaurants, delis, pushcarts, etc. And he's pressured restaurants to remove salt shakers from tables and reduce the amount of salt they put in food. Allowed to go unchecked, you can see where this process will take us.
And they conveniently forget that often their thinking of the day was completely wrong. The best example of that is transfats. In the 70s and 80s we were told to replace butter, which was supposed to be bad, with margarine, which was made from transfats and was supposed to be healthy. Now they find out that it's actually the transfat that is bad and in turn ban that. Go figure.

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Good luck with that. What happens when the high-wattage streetlamp outside your home costs about $300 a year to power and maintain? Are you going to pay for it ALL out of your own pocket, or are you going to join with your neighborhood in providing streetlamps for the entire neighborhood?
So many rightwingers have no idea how much it costs to provide the services they take for granted and that there's no way they'd ever pay for them out of their own pockets.
Oh, it's happened many times where governments have gone broke, such as the town of Hollister here in California. Sure, people mowed the lawn in front of the library FOR A WHILE, then got tired of it and stopped. So, for some time the grass was growing tall and brown, creating a fire hazard. I believe they finally passed a tax increase to allow the town to provide at least some fundamental services.
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<YAWN> Another stupid factoid example. YO ! DUMMY ! What do you think a municipal government is about and for ?? Street lamps in the appropriate places is one of them This has NOTHING to do with socialism

So many right-wingers are so much smarter than pompous pinky nincompoops likes you, who need stupid presumptions to justify your belief that you are so much smarter than most anyone else. I'll point out that in the US, it's the so-called conservatives who pay most of the taxes that pay for a lo of those services you are babbling about. How do we know that ? Because a great many voters who vote Democrat/liberal/progressive just happen to be on the left side of the earnings bell curve. That's also why the Democrat/liberal/progressive just happen to pander to them for their votes

And do tell us what drove Hollister into bankruptcy ?
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1) The basic presumption that government somehow owes people a minimum wage is nutty That really is not and should never be the role of a government 2) People have faced "outrageous medical bills before this century" The notion that I should pay for some stranger's medical care, in part or in whole, because such as you declare that (magically) they have a right to any an all medical care that they need no matter the cost is outrageous. If you feel some duty in that regard, go for it But don't force others to live up to it too

<YAWN> When you're done spewing ignorant propaganda, do come back You might have something worth reading
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