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My question is -> how can a great country like ours slide into the toilet like this?
What's the end-point? We're all going to be collecting social security disability payments once our unemployment payments run out?
If this keeps up, if we keep becoming disabled, then we'll be easy pickings for Russia or China if they want to invade and take us over.
Our labor participation rate is at an all-time low (63.5%). What's with that?
We used to be a great country. This is sickening...
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8,786,049: Yet Another Record for Americans Collecting Disability
(CNSNews.com) - The Social Security Administration has released new data revealing that 8,786,049 American workers are collecting federal disability insurance payments in September. That sets yet another record for the number of Americans on disability.
The 8,786,049 workers taking federal disability in September is a net increase of 18,108 from the 8,767,941 workers who took federal disability in August.
Over the past 45 years, the number of American workers taking federal disability payments has increased four-fold relative to the number actually working.
In August 1967, 74,767,000 Americans were working (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and 1,152,861 were taking federal disability insurance (according to the Social Security Administration). That means that at that time there were about 65 Americans working for each worker collecting disability.
In August 2012, 142,101,000 Americans were working and 8,767,941 were on disability--meaning there were only 16.2 people working for each person collecting disability.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a record 88,921,000 Americans were “not in the labor force” in August. These were Americans who were at least 16 years old, who were not in the military or in an institution such as a prison or a nursing home, and who did not have a job and had not actively sought one in the last four weeks.
Also in August, according to the BLS, only 63.5 percent of the civilian population (those over 16, who were not in the military or in an institution) participated in the labor force. That was the lowest level of labor force participation in 31 years. To participate in the labor force a person must either have a job or at least be actively trying to find one.
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We went through this topic already:
https://groups.google.com/forum /#!searchin/alt.home.repair/disabled$20nation/alt.home.repair/s0rjYV7lHx0/fGXzljDSqPkJ
and this is what I wrote then:
It used to be that when you got a job with a company (and I don't necessarily mean a unionized company) it meant that you had a job for the rest of your life because there was a concept called loyalty, which meant that you would be loyal to your company and your company would be loyal to you with job security, pensions and benefits and in any case the more you worked in a certain job the more experience you had and that experience was appreciated because it is irreplaceable and valuable because it meant that having experienced employees dealing with clients compelled the clients to become loyal to the company in return. The owners or CEOs of companies were more concerned about their legacy and heritage to their grandchildren than they were about earning the option of retiring to Bermuda rather than Florida with a yacht rather than a boat. Somewhere along the line, for some reason, the whole process of legacy, heritage and tradition got replaced with carpe diem. The employees saw that if their company wasn't going to be concerned with the future of their employees than they weren't going to be concerned with the future of their companies so the employees took the only option open to them: Lying like their bosses and taking federal disability insurance payments. Now as citizens we are paying the outsourced and outcast company employees so that the CEOs can buy their ten room mansion instead of their five room mansions when they retire.
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On 9/18/2012 10:28 AM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

But was it with schizophrenic new name every hour "home guy"?
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What do you mean, "a toilet like this"? The United States enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world. True, there are others with higher standards, such as Germany, Australia, Canada, etc., but they're more socialist than we are.
I think you way too much attention to radio and TV talkshows and not enough to your own situation. I'd bet that your own economic and quality of life situation is probably fine, but you've likely been propagandized into thinking that it's falling apart.
Am I wrong? If so, why am I wrong?
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On 9/18/2012 2:15 PM, David Kaye wrote:

Romenyites are engaged in building a class warfare and resentment. One side is Americans the other side are Bankers, and Business Owners that see themselves as winners and everyone else as Leisurely welfare cheats. Romney is building a class war of ideas and resentment with his Groups as the Americans and everyone else as living off them. We paid into SS and Medicare for our working lives. It is not welfare. Disabled Veterans paid with chopped up bodies and sacrificed futures for our Country. They are not welfare. Romneyites formulated policies and laws shipping American jobs off shore and butchering the dollar. They eliminated health care, pensions, and profit sharing for Working Americans and out it in Globalists' Corporate Raiders pockets. Romenyites and their ilk rubbed their hands with glee when we gave them billions in Banking and Corporate welfare. We paid for their islands, mansions and filled their Cayman Islands sheltered and secret accounts. How about them paying their share of taxes. You thin you are one of his Constituents how many million did you give for his support of your business welfare?
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What a TOTAL CROCK
Class warfare is an old, old tactic of the left, NOT the right It's actually funny to hear a pinky accuse the right of what comes naturally to the left.

Yup Nothing has changed The above goes back all the way to Marx
Rest of stupid pinky lies ignored
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+1 Typical tactic of the left to accuse the right of what they are doing themselves. Not only class warfare, but also race and gender warfare.

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:11:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander"

That's precisely the left's tactic; accuse your enemy of doing what you're *actually* doing. Right out of the left's bible (Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals").

...with a touch of Goebbels.
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Does anyone know if any of the Romney sons have served their country in the military?

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Regardless of who wins the presidency, my life is not going to change much. I'm wanting Obama to win because I don't want to see Obamacare disrupted. But even if he loses, there is so much inertia in government that the programs we have are not going to drastically change. I'm not particularly worried about losing much.
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Another vote bought by Obama expanding govt and pandering to those that want more entitlements.

I'm worried about losing the whole country, which we are in the process of doing. You're right about the inertia. Once you have a govt program, it's just about impossible to get rid of it. And we're spending and borrowing, rapidly approaching the crisis point. Which is exactly what Obama wants, as that will be another crisis to use as an opportunity to push more socialism, confiscate the wealth, etc. I can easily see him proposing a wealth tax, just like some of the European countries have.
That's why this election is no ordinary one. It's about whether we at least try to get back to what made America great, individual achievement, self reliance, freedom from govt, or do we go even further down the path of countries like Greece, into socialist hell.
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I'm wondering how you see Obama as a liberal. He's more conservative than Richard Nixon or George Bush the first ever were. Obama is a pragmatist, not a liberal. He has not expanded government; in fact, he's reduced it. Education is a good thing; you should try it some time.
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wrote:

You're a flamin' nutter!
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LOL
If that were true, he would have moved more towards the center like Clinton did. Faced with a Republican Congress, Clinton found ways to work together, even "ending welfare as we know it" Actually it was more like a reform, but you get the point. Obama has remained hard left. Now of course you're going to say, "but it's those rascally Republicans that are the problem."
To which I'd give the most recent of many examples that show that the problem is Obama. Just last week Netanyahu asked to meet with the president this week when he will be in the USA. Obama said he's just too busy..... You have Iran building a nuke, Israel nervous and wanting a resolution before it's too late, and Obama snubs the only true ally the US has in the region. See the problem?
And he snubbed him before, abruptly walking out of a meeting at the White House a year or so ago, saying something to the effect that he was going to dinner and you can leave via the rear door. But of course he is planning on meeting with Eqyptian President Morsi, of the Islamic Brotherhood. You know, the guy who asked us to release all those who blew up the WTC the first time. The guy who didn't protect the US embassy in Cairo last week. That guy.
And of course, being the darling of the media, you hardly heard mention of him snubbing Netanyahu. Had a Republican president done it, why it would be the lead story.

The simple fact is the budget today is 40% higher than it was in 2007. And what exactly is Obamacare, if not another major new govt program? He's even got the govt paying for radio ads to encourage more people to sign up for food stamps.
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On 09/19/12 06:35 pm, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

There isn't even a government *option* in the Affordable Care Act. How can you say it's a government program/takeover?
Perce
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I never said it was a takeover, just yet another big govt program. The latest CBO estimates are that the spending on new programs under Obamacare will be $1.4tril over ten years. I hope that is sufficient to meet your qualifications of yet another big govt program.
Congress has an approval rating of 13%. Why on earth would anyone want them to do more? Do you really think those buffoons have a clue about something as complex as healthcare and insurance? What the real problems are? How to fix it? They just glommed together a pile of crap and passed it. The results will only be seen years from now. When it's too late.
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And here we have clear evidence of Brave-New-World-speak. War is peace Hate is love Expansion is reduction
YO ! MORON ! Just the administration increase from Obamacare outranks ANYTHING else that MAY have been reduced in your fantasy
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harry, no one gives a rat's ass what you think about American politics. ...or anything else, for that matter.
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David Kaye wrote:

What - the fact that a huge portion of your heath-care system (medicare, medicaid) is public doesn't make you some-what socialist?
Wouldn't you rather be more socialist, vs being more facist (as you are clearly becoming) ???
================= http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-totalitarian-state-wins-after-all-obama-reinstates-ndaa-military-detention-provision
Just over a week ago, we wrote of the challenge to Obama's NDAA totalitarian bill. Hope remained that Chris Hedges' view of the indefinite detention as "unforgivable, unconstitutional, and exceedingly dangerous" would bolster judgment.
However, as Russia Today reports, a lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House's ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on the previous Chris Hedges'-driven order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction. The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue. It would appear the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day.
A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.
The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.
Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.
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I have no problem with socialism since some of the most desirable places to live are socialist in part. Socialism is the mark of a civilization; unbridled capitalism is the mark of a lack of civilization.
Socialist structures benefit us all: public streetlights, public streets, public parks, public schools, public mail service, public water services, public power, public transit, public interstate freeways. Our world would be worse off without these expenditures of public money for the common good.
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