I'd start at your local electrical distributors
Best I recollect, Siemens Q-series are interchangeable w/ ITE EQ but
you'll want to double-check for sure...
The main box does not have a main breaker.
Can I run wire from the main box into another box with it's own 30 amp
This is the problem that I am looking for advice with.
My daughter bought a new dryer. It is not on a dedicated circuit and
it's using a 20 amp breaker.
The circuit has been tripping.
The dryer manual says it needs a dedicated 30 amp circuit.
I know that the long term solution would be to replace the whole main
That's Code problem unless there's an adjacent cutoff. Are you sure it
isn't one that uses one of the regular positions as the feed, though?
Not unless there are provided terminals internally which would be quite
unusual. That piece of line would have to be the same ampacity as the
feeder or it wouldn't be heavy enough to be protected by whatever is the
upstream fusing mechanism whether that's a fused disconnect or other
breaker. There's undoubtedly no place for that size connection to be
made internally and while I suppose one could pigtail into the feed w/
split nut connector or similar I surely would not recommend it even if
it were allowed which I doubt.
What does the local distributor say about availability for the existing
panel? Assuming you have any spare space, I'd think there would be
something available but it is probably pricey owing to age/low demand
(but less than a new box).
What do you mean by "regular position" ?
In order to safely change out individual breakers, you have to have a
main breaker or a mechanism for disconnecting power.
As far as I can see, pulling the meter is the only way. :-)
I am waiting to hear back from an electrician.
He may have some he kept from a job or know where I can get some.
I will check the wire gauge at the meter to see what it's amp rating
I will make sure that the dryer has new wire installed using the
appropriate gauge of wire and protected by it's own circuit breaker.
I thought finding parts for plumbing was hard. :-)
Some boxes use a regular breaker position as the feed for the rest of
the panel. Not common in older stuff; moderately so in the home line of
GE, etc., carried at the box stores. Terrible design; detest it but it
exists. Just thought I'd ask just in case; I would doubt it but don't
know ITE stuff at all.
If there isn't a disconnect for the box other than the meter, that
qualifies as a Code violation unless there are only six (or fewer)
individual breakers in the box.
Possible if you know the guy he may do you a favor. Otherwise, probably
just as well take the info from the panel and head to the distributor(s)
and have them look it up.
Well, it'll be much bigger than you'll want to run for a branch circuit
for the dryer. :) If it's 100A service it'll be minimum #4 Cu or 2/0
for 200A; Al is, of course larger yet.
The 30A branch circuit would need 10 ga. and w/ current NEC specifies
4-conductor instead of the traditional 3 -- 2 "hot", 1 neutral, 1
ground. The olden days of shared ground/neutral for appliance outlets
are no longer.
I talked last night with the electrician and he will come out and look
at it and tell me which breaker I need.
He said he sees a lot of of boxes with no main. That's scary. :-)
I can't understand how those boxes were allowed put in during the 60's
My mother's house is 55 yrs. old and it had a main breaker.
I would not even think about using a 3-2 wire.
I don't even like seeing outlets where someone used the "plug-in" for
the wires instead of the wire nut.
I was scratching my head when I found out that the current circuit to
the dryer is not dedicated and
also has a dishwasher on the circuit with a 20 amp breaker. :-(
It looks to me like house inspections must be awful superficial.
Undoubtedly the box itself meets Code/UL-listed, etc.
The problem isn't the box itself, it's that (apparently) there's no
Possibly the jurisdiction didn't require compliance w/ NEC at the time
or the enforcement was simply lax.
Note there is the one "escape clause" in the Code which is allowable,
that being the small box that has six or fewer total breakers/fuses in
it. That number is low enough the Code allows it w/o the separate
At some point it sounds as though a new box would not be a bad
investment if intend to keep the house any length of time; at some point
lack of the disconnect will be inconvenient at best--in fact, that time
may be now for adding the branch circuit under discussion... :)
As for inspections, they are often as you say superficial at best,
incompetent at worst. Many places they're only a formality that serves
as a form of bakeesh between lenders/realtors/inspection companies all
in cahoots w/ each other.
No main breaker? Gotta have a shutoff somewhere...check on the
interior wall opposite the meter.
Or it could be a "split bus" panel ...where the main breaker just
looks like a regular 2 pole breaker. I'm thinking maybe 70 or 100
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