And that seems excessively expensive well cost here -- as noted elsewhere, we're expecting to drill new one probably this fall. Indications from driller were to expect about $5k for 400 ft or thereabouts.
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 08:47:59 -0400, Ohioguy wrote in
That 240' will only hold about 240 gals of water 240' * 3.14 * (2.5/12)**2 * 7.5 = 240 gals
but cost maybe $20k to drill? A 1000 gal underground cistern would be a lot cheaper.
On 08/04/2014 8:26 AM, Ohioguy wrote: ...
Which makes drilling two that deep even harder to understand...iirc you mentioned 5" casing so neglecting the space taken by the well outlet pipe not knowing what was used and being optimistic, 150' from the 50-ft assumed water table level to 200 is about a 150 gal reservoir. At 1 gpm you've got an hour+ pumping w/ minimal reflow rate...
Again, my main concern here isn't so much the rate but the "why" and the "if" going forward. _SOMETHING_ had to be behind the situation as it is even if it turns out to be sheer folly and ignorance it would seem imperative to me to know that going in.
Ohioguy wrote in news:53df8a07$0$28139$ snipped-for-privacy@usenet-news.net:
That doesn't make sense either. A 5" diameter pipe will hold approximately one gallon per foot of length. If you want to store a hundred gallons of water, it's *far* cheaper to buy a 100- gallon tank than to drill 100 feet of well.
So the well drillers were idiots.
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Surely doesn't read like rural area based on the first two bullets...
"1. House numbers 4?in height. 2. Electric, gas, and water must be turned on at time of inspection. ..."
No numbers on houses around here and 99% of farm houses aren't positioned where could read a house number from the road, anyway. There is now a county-installed 911-system number on a road sign on the main road that's the mileage marker at the driveway in whole numbers represented mileage from west/south edge of county to the thousandths of a mile (5 ft).
Or the homeowner who told them what to do, more likely was the idiot and they just took advantage to get a check???
or the well drillers decided, oh what the heck, let me comply with today's laws and seal the first 75 feet of the well, rather than loose my license and be fined.
I liked the dowser idea. I am constantly amazed at the people who actually think someone can find water with a forked stick. Or bent coat hanger or other things of similar ilk.
I was at one such dowsing. I know the area, and there is water everywhere. The dowser went back and forth, to and fro. Then he made an X in the dirt with his foot and said "drill here!". I pointed out that the County Code requires a 50 foot setback from roads and property lines, so the took his stick and without even looking said "well drill it over there".
Doug Miller wrote, on Mon, 04 Aug 2014 11:08:52 +0000:
While you'll rarely find me defending the California nanny naturalists, they do require us to clear all brush within 100 feet of our homes.
We can get fined if we don't, and the insurance company requires it also.
We often get so much wood out of the deal that the county comes yearly to chip it for us.
trader_4 wrote, on Mon, 04 Aug 2014 05:53:42 -0700:
Here, in "Silicon Ridge", the rock isn't all that hard to drill, I would think. It's Franciscan sediments. From fifty miles out in the ocean plastered against the continent, mixed in with granitic Salinian sediments from the southern Sierra Nevada mountains near Los Angeles carried north by the inexorable San Andreas right-slip fault movement.
Your medium pizza, which is darn good, costs, what? Maybe $15 right? Ours, out here, which stinks compared to yours, often costs over $30 for the same thing.
I have never figured this out yet. You never pay what *you* think it's worth; you pay what everyone *else* thinks it's worth.
Pete C. wrote, on Mon, 04 Aug 2014 08:55:52 -0500:
That's exactly how mine works.
If the well has water, it pumps forever, until the water tanks indicate they are full (which would take 3 or 4 days to fill at 5 gallons a minute).
If the well can't produce the water, it runs until it runs dry, and then it shuts off for a settable prescribed time (usually 20 to 30 minutes).
In another recent thread, I shut off my wells for a few hours, and then turned them on individually. The "bad" well went dry in a minute while the good well went for about 20 minutes, at a bit more than 5 gallons per minute at the start and a bit less than 4 gallons per minute by the time it shut off with a precipitous drop in flow.
I only ran a couple of tests though, so, that's all the data I have.
Does that help reduce the risk of fire damage?
you always pay what you think it is worth, or you wouldn't pay it.
That's really unlikely. The cost of putting a pump that can lift 240' of water would far exceed the cost of a storage tank. We have about 8 wells that vary from 240 to 500 feet. Replacing a 240' one runs about $2000. Now they are great pumps (variable speed motors), but I wouldn't use the well bore for storage.
Yep. The county here has issued a letter stating that up to 10% of the homes in this area are served by failed or underperforming wells and have water trucked in. The reason they issued that letter is to assure lenders that a lack of water is "normal" for this area. A one off dry well wouldn't get that treatment.
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Let the fire company figure it out. It doesn't sound like this area uses private holding tanks like in another thread. This area is most likely a class 8 ISO rating.
To the OP I haven't read all the posts. Get a price for the drilling of a reliable well and negotiate the price with the bank. It sounds like you really like the place but get a GOOD inspection done to find the faults. Ask the neighbors if there has been a common problem between units. Watch the TV show flip or flop as this guy goes blindly from house to house. Of course one can't tell what went on behind the scenes.
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do 500 per minute, larger go to 750 or 1000 per minute. Tanks are usually
500-750 gallons depending on chassis.They don't. Fire Dept's are rated by the insurance services office (ISO). This is how the insurance Co's have a standard comparison between vendors. If the fire co upgrades equipment or a myriad other factors (like response times) the the rating can go up. 1 being best & 8 being worst. The fire co must request the re rating. Watch out because it can also be de-rated. The rating most affects commercial property. The insurance information should show the rating class.
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Don't know. It's environmental conditions - wind and brush, building codes, etc.
In the East the firewalls were not required to go through the roof and it would communicate through the attic. This would cause blocks of houses to burn. Older garden style apartments were the same. If they burn now they are required to rebuild to modern code.
The driller didn't check out the topography for the water bearing bedrock. I believe it's even accessible on-line.
Going deeper doesn't mean you will get what you want. If the topography is known, you _may_ hit an adequate supply of water by drilling on the other side of the house.
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