Again, I don't care about resale. I'm certainly not going to plan a
renovation I expect to live with for at least 35 years based on "resale
value". And yes, I could die and leave my HUSBAND all alone tomorrow. The
only reason I am asking for opinions is that I want to make sure I have
correctly assessed our needs. I really don't want to put anything else in
the closet besides hanging clothes, shoes, and out-of-season clothes in bags
on shelves. Based on what everyone else puts in their very large closets,
I've decided that yes, 8'x10' is more than we need, so we'll stay with that
Thanks, everyone, especially Anthony, for their input!
No problem :)
I'm 11 years old than he is, so it's a toss-up. Yes, I have very fixed ideas
about all aspects of both stages of our renovations, but since it's such a
huge amount of money I want to make sure I don't get tunnel vision and miss
something. I don't want to end up with something I don't like when I could
have designed it "right" the first time. Just wait until the architect sees
that I want a double stall shower and NO bathtub in the master bathroom.
He'll have a cow!
That's my preference, but the architect we're using is a very earnest young
man (ok, he's nearly 40) who seems MUCH more concerned with resale than what
the current owners want. He's also very traditional. He is, however, very
good, reasonably priced, and his plans ALWAYS get approved by our town
building people, who can be a real pain. We've got a bathtub in the one
upstairs bath we have now, and in 25 years I don't think anyone has used it.
I'm not even sure it has a stopper!
As long as the house HAS a tub, correct. Personal preference for master
setup there would be one larger shower with opposing wall spigots and temp
controls. Lots of fun can be had there (evil grin). Also on a serious
note, if they don't like the same temps the dual setup lets them control.
JUst have the head adjustable (prefer power massage types myself on a long
rope but I'm 50% disabled and it's just flat out easier for some parts of my
daily rituals to be able to move the spray head to where I want it than move
me to where it hits). Do it right, and you can shift the shower heads when
in single person use to hit you from both sides at once while you are
glorified standing there in the middle with both sides warm in a cold winter
Our master has a 6' x 6' shower with a rain head but no wall mounted
head. I like the rain head but if I were to design the thing it would
have one wall mounted head. It's a PITA to clean, as it is. The
master also has a whirlpool tub, that hasn't been used (I woldn't care
about a tub in the master, but SWMBO does). There are two more full
baths upstairs (and a half down), one in a guest room suite and one
outside the third bedroom, with more conventional one-piece fiberglass
Here's a real one. Make sure one of the 2 (or both if you like) are wheel
chair accessable and if this is upstairs area and a new stairwell has to be
added, that it meet the specs so a proper ADA lift can later be added to get
up there. I gather this is a second story addition? If not done, this may
be the one that pushes the house to have to be sold in later years.
I'm slowly working on my house. One thing we watch is how 'accessable' each
added thing is. Got a downstairs bathroom with a tub?
I wouldnt worry about it. Do what seems right. I'd kill for a single 8x10
closet here. Heck, I'd be happy for a 2x5 ft one!
More than you need though when adding a second is just useless, especially
if it detracts from another room.
We had a similar design question and wound up at 9' x 12'. The two side
walls have clothes rods, one end is sliding drawers on ajustable vertical
posts that we got from the Container Store. There were two considerations
that we learned while trying to design this area. (1) Don't have clothes
rods on adjacent walls -- the corner where the two rods intersect is not
very convenient. The pullout drawers make much more sense, and (2) Once
you've gotten about 8 feet wide, you don't gain much by increasing the
width, because you can't just add another row of clothes rods down the
middle. A walkin closet with rods on each side plus one in the middle would
have to be about 14' wide. So when you increase the width from 8' to 10 or
12', you're not gaining any real hanging spaace, you're just adding more
empty space in the middle of the room.
For the bathroom, think about the idea of having the sinks outside of the
bathroom, at one end or side of the bedroom -- especially if you have a
fairly large bedroom (ours is 24' x 36'). We first saw this done in the
suites at the Burswood Casino outside of Perth, Australia, where it was
quite effective, and incorporated it into our redesign.
I see a lot of closets in my installation business. Newer homes have larger
closets. Closets are also sized along with the selling price of the home,
bigger = bigger. The latest trend I am seeing on the upper end homes is
that most people store all their clothing in the closet. Many of the high
end ones have built in drawers and sweater shelves and so on. One could
spend almost as much in a master closet as they do on kitchen cabinets. -:)
A 300K plus home should have at least a 10x12 for the MBR. Most newer
200K homes have that as a minimum for the MBR.
Our MB is to the rear of our BR and one walks a short hall to enter it.
There is a walk-in closet to the left and right of that hall. Both were
built as 6x8 with a bypass door on the center of the 8' span. There is a
chase for the chimney out of one taking a 2x2 cut in the corner. I use that
one and the wife overflows the larger one. I, personally store nothing in
drawers except out of season items. I even hang my tee-shirts. Socks and
jockys are in a wire basket. Everything I use on a daily basis is in the
closet. I don't do it that way to emulate the bigger homes, I do it that
way because I like it that way. For my lifestyle I have more than enough
room, but keep in mind that clothes aren't my thing.
Men with lots of suits, suit jackets and shoes or boots would most likely
fill it. I see closets larger than both ours that are overflowing with
clothes. Depends on the lifestyle of the homeowner.
I realize you don't give a hoot about resale right now but only a fool would
completely disregard it. Think about the neighborhood, what type of buyer
would buy your remodeled home? Consider the price range. Make an informed
choice and do what you want. It is your home.
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I live out in the boonies and can only see most of my neighbors in the
winter when there are no leaves. We have tiny 600 sq ft farmhouses and 5000
sq ft McMansions in the mile-and-a-half between my house and the nearest
cross street. There are also several other in-home businesses on this road,
so it seems to be more about how you intend to use the house rather than its
selling price. The McMansions seem to be 4br, 5.5baths, with gobs of wasted
"living space", vaulted ceilings, etc. My final living space will be about
3800 sq ft, with 4br, 3.5baths, separate office and huge workspace. My
architect says it's really 6br, because the office and the workspace count
as bedrooms. Umm, no.
That's generally the distinction, but in my last house it was the
other way around. The tax roles defined the number of bedrooms. We
had to pay $6K to list our house as three bedroom. The builder
apparently had it listed as a two bedroom, though it clearly had three.
When we added a second story onto our house some years back it was a
bit larger with a Master Bedroom, Master Batch, Setting/TV area and my
homve Office all included. The walking master closet was 14' wide and
14' long. The builders thought it was another bedroom since it was
almost as large. The layout was designed for my wife with me as an
afterthought. The entrance was sliding mirrored doors wide enough for
both sides to be open at the same time. My wife had one side and the
entire back while I was allowed to use the other side with some space
for suitcases and other stored items. Down the middle of the closet
was a built in cabinet four feed wide, eight feet long, and eight feet
high. Cieling in closet was 10 feet. The upper clothes racks were
high with a motorized canteleaver to bring them down for access. The
lower racks were mixed full length and half racks. I put in a seat
and full length mirror at the back for my wife who preferred it for
most of her use. (In spite of having full length mirror on doors.)
The final touch was a huge shoe rack on one side at the back that hid
a jewlery safe. I know, it was a huge overkill but my wife loved it.
Now about that master bath....
Yes, yes...keep going... about that master bath...
But before we get off the closet/bedroom thing:
Where does your wife put on her make up? Seated or standing?
Illuminated mirror? Provision of water? Presuming she does it at a
table or desk. How big? what sort of surface (risk of spilling
alcohol, acetone etc)? General lighting: change in color temperature
for different scenarios (you match the make up to the destination
(beach or party etc) and the lighting has to be compatible
Where does she blow dry her hair?
Where do you shave?
If you answer "in the bathroom" to any of the above you're wasting a
very expensive and not too pleasant (smells, moisture) room for
something that could be done much more conveniently in your massive
closet (with some rearrangement).
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