FWIW and for anyone who cares , QUIT KILLING THE BEES ! Just about every one
of those compounds for killing weeds has an effect on our pollinators . Add
in the effects of neonic and other pesticides and you can end up with colony
collapse disorder , where the bees just wander off <apparently> and die .
It wouldn't take a bomb to bring this country down , just one crop sprayer
full of pesticides at the right time and right place could kill up to 3/4 of
the bees in this country , and without them we'd starve ...
Terry Coombs used improper usenet message composition style by
I think you're confusing herbicides and insecticides.
Herbicides have no designed or documented effects directly on insects as
far as I know, apart from reducing potential pollen sources from
Good thing about Roundup and other products that only contain glyphostate
and no other harmful chemicals is that it is almost harmless to people and
animals with normal usage. You could probably drink small quanties and
have almost no effect. Maybe like a good dose of Exlax. You would think
somthing that would kill almost all plant life would be very dangerous to
people, but turns out it is one of the safest chemical grass and weed
Why do you have your line-length set to 50-odd characters instead of,
Regarding roundup, the only place I use that is in my parkinglot at
$dayjob and on the road in front of my house (in the cracks around the
curbs) or on my driveway. There is no other place where spraying
roundup in my yard wouldn't kill either grass or something that my SO
would kill me for.
I buy Roundup in premixed 5-liter hand-pump sprayer:
When it's all used up, I clean it with hot water, use some lacquer
thinner to wipe away the painted-on label, and use it as a sprayer for
The Roundup I buy in that 5-liter ready-to-use sprayer contains:
- glyphosate (present as isopropylamine salt)
Nothing else is listed. No other chemicals, no surfactants.
Could those "preservatives" function as surfactants?
According to this:
=================Glyphosate is practically non-toxic to fish. However, Roundup was more
toxic to fish than was glyphosate. An additive used in the Roundup
formulation (modified tallow amine used as a surfactant) is apparently
more toxic to fish than many common surfactants. For this reason, the
formulation for use in aquatic situations (Rodeo) omits this
ingredient. The surfactant is used to allow the compound to readily
dissolve in solution and to keep the compound from balling up on the
This is wikipedia's page for polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactants:
==============Roundup Pro is a formulation of glyphosate that contains a phosphate
ester neutralized polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactant; as of 1997
there was no published information regarding the chemical differences
between the surfactant in Roundup and Roundup Pro.
The polyethoxylated tallow amine used as a surfactant in Roundup is
referred to in the literature as MON 0139 or polyoxyethyleneamine
(POEA). Presumably, the Roundup surfactant is a derivative of tallow, a
complex mixture of fat from the fatty tissue of cattle or sheep.
POEA is 15% of Roundup formulations and the phosphate ester neutralized
polyethoxylated tallow amine surfactant is 14.5% of Roundup Pro.
Surfactants are generally required to be used with glyphosate to allow
effective uptake of glyphosate, which is hydrophilic, across plant
cuticles, which are hydrophobic, and reduces the amount of glyphosate
washed off plants by rain.
Does premixed Roundup available in the US contain surfactants?
I spray insecticidal soap on a few locust trees to kill aphids, and
might start mixing it with Roundup and Weed-B-Gon as an experiment.
This soap contains:
- Alkanolamine salts of fatty acids (25%)
It is the oil on the leaves as well as the sap. Some people are less
affected by the oil, but just touching the plant - not squashing it,
can cause SERIOUS reactions to a large percentage of the population.
And burning it can be VERY dangerous, as the smoke carries the
irritant into the lungs and eyes as well.
Full-quoting google-giggler piece of shit trader_4 wrote:
For one thing you piece of shit, I buy it when it's sale ($20).
Second, the retail availability of various lawn-care products have been
drastically reduced (and in most cases, banned) here in Ontario, which
includes the concentrated version of Roundup. The 5-liter (1.3 gallon)
ready-to-use spray is the largest I can buy. Since I don't have acres
and acres of real estate to nuke of all plant life, I don't have much of
a need for the concentrate anyways.
Got that - you dumb shit?
I don't use enough roundup to make it a real concern. I don't have a
lot of area (on a sq. footage basis) to nuke of all plant life. Due to
political retardation, concentrated roundup is not available at the
retail level where I am.
You can buy concentrated roundup that comes in a pump sprayer?
I reformat ALL of the text that I quote so that it remains properly
AND - for those dumb-ass full-quoters, you shouldn't be dragging the
same text through multiple chain-replies anyways. These are not email
conversations were having. This is usenet, where the entire thread is
ALWAYS AVAILABLE and there is NO NEED TO DRAG OLD TEXT INTO SEVERAL
GENERATIONS OF REPLIES.
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