Are you seeing multiple instances of the same thread in GG these days?
I'm seeing threads showing up with the same subject lines containing only a few posts. It really makes using GG a major pain and it seems to be getting worse.
Some examples:
There are well over 20 instances of Guns in America
Re: OT: Guns in America (5) Re: OT: Guns in America (3) Re: OT: Guns in America (3) Re: OT: Guns in America (5) etc.
Same thing for More Trump:
Re: OT - more Trump (4) Re: OT - more Trump (5) Re: OT - more Trump (3) Re: OT - more Trump (2) etc.
and Idiot lights-out drivers:
Re: OT Idiot lights-out drivers (2) Re: OT Idiot lights-out drivers (1) Re: OT Idiot lights-out drivers (5) Re: OT Idiot lights-out drivers (3) etc.
Yes, started in the last week or so. I wasn't sure what was going on, I thought since most of them are ones started by the trolls, that maybe they were starting all these new threads. But I see some are also from posters who aren't trolls too. So, IDK, I guess it's a GG problem? Whatever it is, like you say, it makes viewing it a real mess. Plus there seem to be less OT threads of any kind recently.
In addition, they all start with Re: which, as you know, is what happens when an email is replied to, not a usenet post.
A quick scan seems to indicate that there are no subject lines starting with Re: that *don't* repeat, so it has to be related to how/why Re: gets attached to those subject lines.
In my case, it is because the thread of the message to which it is a reply is no longer on my computer. However, that is with a news reader, not GG, have no idea how GG does it. Or even why GG exists :)
If you thought about it a minute you would know. When people change the subject line to indicate thread drift, Google does not recognize the change. Real news readers do. Google also ignores any post with the "no archive" bit set, I guess because Goggle refuses to forget anything.
1) Posts are threaded by the References: header. This has a reverse-ordered list of unique message Id's that preceeded the instant message. If the newsreader breaks the References: header, google groups and newsreader clients will not know which thread the newly posted message resides in and will thus create a new thread for it.
2) X-No-Archive is not a standard NNTP header[*], thus there is no requirement for any news server or archive service to honor it.
"When DejaNews was purchased by Google, Google continued to honor the X-No-Archive directive. Other newsgroup archiving services have also followed in DejaNews' footsteps, though the decision not to archive X-No-Archive messages has been entirely voluntary."
[*] Header tags starting with X- are inserted by newsreader clients and are completely ignored by standard news servers such as INN, C-news or Typhoon.
I understand that. For example the "Square D electrical panel question" thread shows changes of subject lines *within* the posts, but not on the main thread list page. For example, when Stormy changed the subject line to "Re: G Fretwell picture" I see that in the *body* of the posts. However, all posts in that thread are showing up in a single thread under the original "Square D electrical panel question" subject line on the main thread list page. I assume that that is what you mean by GG not recognizing the change.
However, in the cases I mentioned in my OP, there does not appear to be any change of subject line, at least not that show up within the post itself, because I don't see "Re: Some Other Subject Line" when I view the body of the post.
What I do see is "groups" of 1, 2, 5, etc. posts all using "Re: (original subject line)" on the main thread list page.
3 (rarely 4) different access methods - 2 PC's and a tablet (rarely my smartphone)
1 PC is corporate system with no ability to install a newsreader.
I can open GG on any device and they are all synced. I know other news readers can do that, but GG is the only available access on the corporate system, so I choose to stay consistent across all devices.
Some ng's won't accept a GG post. I had to use them on a business machine but on home pc use TB. Posting from tablet or phone is tedious and I don't do it.
OK, so what is different about the "Message-Id: header" on the three threads that are giving GG'ers such recent troubles?
Re: OT: Guns in America Re: OT - more Trump Re: OT Idiot lights-out drivers
What is happening within the "Message-Id: header" that splits those posts out into varying numbers of smaller "threads" (1,2,5,9, etc.)?
Here's an excerpt from the thread list page, The (number) in parenthesis is the number of posts in that "thread" that I have not read, the number without the () is the number of total posts in that "thread".
The lines without any () simply means that I clicked on the subject line on the thread list page so GG assumes I read every post in that "thread". e.g. the 3rd and 4th ones down.
Re: OT: Guns in America (1) 1 4:08 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (1) 1 4:08 PM Re: OT: Guns in America 10 4:07 PM Re: OT: Guns in America 1 4:06 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (6)15 4:05 PM Re: Guns in America (2) 2 4:03 PM Ping Trader_4 - GG Issue 13 4:03 PM Re: Guns in America (2) 2 3:58 PM Re: Guns in America (2) 2 3:54 PM "MDVIP" For Medical Care: Anybody Heard of It? (23) 23 3:53 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (3) 3 3:51 PM Re: Guns in America (3) 3 3:49 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (3) 3 3:47 PM Computer idiot (29) 106 3:40 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (14) 14 3:36 PM Hey Philo (8) 9 3:28 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (2) 2 3:28 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (2) 2 3:24 PM Re: OT: Guns in America (2) 2 3:18 PM OT: Can you tell the difference between sounds behind you and in front of you? (49) 49 3:17 PM
Based on the list above, I find it hard to believe there are that many subject line changes within the Guns in America thread. Are posters really changing the subject line every minute or two?
Obviously you've never experienced a locked down corporate PC to which no extermal media can be connected. The only thing the USB ports can be used for are mice, keyboards and charging smartphones. The OS disables the media portion of the smartphone, presenting the massage "External media device disabled."
BTW I just looked everywhere on the iPad I'm typing this post on. Can you tell me where to plug that thumb drive in?
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