Permit expired, now what?

I have a building in San Francisco where I had a licensed contractor did some major work. A permit was pulled, contractor did the work, I was shown a final inspection (so I thought) from this contractor so final payment was released. Now many years gone by and now trying to sell the property, my real estate agent requested a (CCR?) report and to my dismay the San Francisco building department stated no final permit was issued for this work. Permit expired long ago, now what?
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Fred wrote:

Click your heels three times and repeat " I want to get a final, I want to get a final, I want to get a final.
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Fred wrote:

Everyone's an expert here, including me so you're going to be advised to do everything but blow up the building. Then again someone may suggest that as well. But, it's really very simple what you need to do, allthough the process may not be so simple.
First attempt to make contact with the contractor and regardless of whether he tells you to pack sand or not, next thing is for you to go the building department and tell them what's happened. They will no doubt require you to take out another permit. Depending upon the scope of the work that was performed as well as their inspection records for the job they may have additional req's as well. They may or may not have original drawings and specs.
You may end up suing the former contractor, you may not, but you have to start at the building dept. Not in usenet.
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wrote:

I'm a building official and in a case like yours I'd probably come out and do a final inspection. In the absence of gross violations, I'd issue the final. I have better things to do than to piss off citizens that are trying to do the right thing.
Dan
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Oh, that's good advice: What YOU would do has nothing to do with what the OP needs to do next. That's a non-answer. If you're a "building official", what's your title? Sounds like you were scrounging for a buzz word there. I'm also a "building official" but it's nothing to do with the OPs area of questioning.
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Too bad more people don't give your recommendation. A little wordy, but still the best advice. Lots of times people are looking for ways to get arond things and that's dangerous and/or costly depending. From the sound of it he's lucky that contractor actually pulled a permit.

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What in the world are you asking here for?
Ask the real estate agent to research what to do. If they don't know, ask their broker. Ask the building department. If that fails, contact a lawyer. There are solutions for every problem.
You could only be asking for a very, very, very big problem asking advice here instead of just the big problem you now have.
I am sure that this is not the first time that this has happened, and it won't be the last. Find out what other people did in the same situation.
The advice you get here is free, and worth all you paid for it. Professional advice that you pay for will at least have ethical guidelines that you can lean on if it is erroneous.
What are you going to do here if you get bad advice?
Flame them?
That'll show 'em.
Now, get on it, and let us know what you find out.
STeve
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Why? So someone here can answer the question here next time. You know - the question you are not supposed to ask here.
Bob
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I cannot think off a better place to ask than the newsgroups. So far I had positive responses from someone in the building department and a registered engineer from another group, thank you. Yes, the advice is free, but far from worthless as long as you develop a selective filter. I would say that much of the advice I've gotten through the years is as good or better than the advice I'd paid for including my $400/hour lawyer, $150/hour mechanic, $250/hour CPA, etc.
Flame them for bad advice? I have a condo conversion, an in-law addition and a remodel to do in three different cities. Sorry, no time. (And often times the bad advice is not intentional.)
Newsgroups are great! I just fix my chain saw the other day with some free advice that my mechanic couldn't fix in ver 18 months under warranty. I learn how to weld better, fix my cars, fix my properties, invest better, etc. - all in all, save me thousands of dollars and unnecessary frustration. So many good people here and much appreciated!
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I agree 100%. I often use newsgroups, but when I really want advice I can take to the bank, I consult a professional. And sometimes the direct approach is best. Simply going to the people involved and asking what it will take to fix it is the shortest route. There are all sorts of gyrations here every day on this question and that. And some very bad advice given and taken. And all that was really needed was to just go directly to the people involved.
YMM(and probably does)V
Steve
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===> Well, that's what you perceive, anyway, but that doesn't make it so. There are certainly better and more reliable places to get answers from. That said, what newsgroups ARE good for, with something as important as you claim to have, are CONFIRMATION and CONCENSUS. It could help you catch a con at work, or to separate some fact from fiction down the road, and often even arm you with enough information to decide what questions to ask of the people in power. But to say that you can think of no better place; well, you need to think a little harder IMO. You sound enticingly niave, so be careful.
Yes, the advice is free, but far

===> Woof! No wonder you take advice from a newsgroup as the last word on something! You've no problems with paying the extra bucks and probably don't even know it when you do. I'm not trying to sound offensive, honest, but brutally honest with my opinion. In other words, you're sure not driving an old Monte Carlo to the local courts to pay a speeding ticket which you want to account for on your taxes.

===> This last doesn't seem to follow with the rest of your post; you may have learned by wathycing or something similar, but can you DO? And perhaps that $150/hr mechanic needs to be replaced. Either that or you need to realize that even the best "expert" can miss things at times. While the world isn't all zeroes and cone, you seem to make a case for enjoying both but claim to be only one? Dunno - interesting verbiage.
Just be careful.
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You took this too literary. Can't be too naive or not careful enough being a landlord in hostile rent control San Francisco.

I did say selective filter. What's wrong with newsgroups ones you filter out and discard the bad information? Many people in newsgroups are pros just as good as my lawyer, mechanic and CPA but that doesn't mean I don't use or pay for professional services.

Sure you could, perhaps not for everyone. I've rebuilt my automatic transmission with help from a factory manual - what so special about that, people do this kind of things all the time. Then this guy on the web building his house from the ground up (mostly him, his wife and their dog) block by block - impressive! Didn't Andrew Grove (Intel Corporation) did research on the web for finding a cure for his cancer? Now free advice from this guy is priceless.
And perhaps that

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hey!
I am an ASE certified mechanic!
who is paying $150/hour ?????????????
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"> hey!

No one I know off, this is a shop rate for my Volvo in the Bay Area. I could get it done for lot cheaper but my mechanic does excellent work.
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Fred wrote:

Ask the real estate agent why he wants it. Then assuming he really does see a problem, then go to the city and ask them how to resolve the problem. They are the ones with the final say about giving you one.
--
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Check to see if the contractor is still licensed. He had to put up a bond. You may be able to get him into big trouble if he cannot resolve your problem. Unfortunately he is probably gone.
Also, even if he is working under a different corporate name, in most states the licenses are personal and you can still get him.

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says...

Sometimes cities do lose records of inspections and approvals -- do you still have your copies of the inspection checklist and permit paperwork? Go through your copies and see if you can find a final inspection and approval.
(My advice, never throw those away -- I've run into houses that have been standing for decades, building officials said they had no records of permits, but the homeowner still had their copy of the final so the county said "Oops, sorry for bothering you.")
If you can't find anything, then your best bet is to take all the permit paperwork you do have, meet with your local building official, and explain the situation. Only your local official will know how the local bureaucracy deals with this sort of situation.
On the bright side, this is a very common situation, so any reasonably large city will have a process in place, you won't be reinventing the wheel.
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Don't fix what ain't broke.
Change your real estate agent if he can't get you out of this.
At the very least, change your listing contract to acknowledge the problem and sell the property 'subject to' the problem. You have a duty to disclose, so disclose. But only disclose. Don't fix what ain't broke.
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