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I thought I'd tackle your question for the sake of my education. Was it because they were exchanging roman coins that bore "craven images" for local money that was acceptable inside the temple?

-- Tom Horne

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Tom Horne
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On 4/24/2011 2:59 AM, Higgs Boson wrote: ...

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Different issue entirely...

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dpb

My son works for one of those policy institutes, in health care. It works mostly on government consulting contracts, with some foreign and private contracts tossed in.

That's a dilemma that results from inherent conflicts between a democratic government and private capitalism. We muddle through, but it's a case-by-case thing.

The Federal Reserve is one of the most extreme cases. It depends entirely on the ability of the decision-makers, and their integrity in the face of political pressure.

So far it's worked amazingly well, but we are now living through some of the consequences of ideological conflicts within the Fed. There is no way that I can see to improve it. Having Congress control it would be an absolute disaster -- as it was, before the Fed was created.

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Ed Huntress

HAHahohoho...my fingers slipped off of the home keys while I was watching TV over my shoulder.

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Ed Huntress

Over your shoulder? I have put my desktop on a portable laptop cart like this:

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Only I have it pushed over to the right and turned 90 where the long part is sticking out in the room. I can see my TV and my computer at the same time. The cart is over far enough so my recliner can put out the leg rest. The tower is also turned 90 so it fits entirely on the cart.

I still can't figure out why nothing gets done around here. :)

(BTW there is no way the tower in the picture can be a mid sized tower. The cart is too narrow for it to fit the way it looks in the picture) My mid sized tower measures 18 inches front to back. The outside to outside distance of the two uprights on the table are only

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Metspitzer

That's very nice. That's a lot like the setup I used years ago, although yours looks a lot nicer. Mine was a converted typing table. Now I have a home-built corner desk that faces directly away from the TV. Usually I just sort-of-listen to the news, but there was something I wanted to see and, from habit, I just kept typing.

I always type my name so I don't forget it. d8-)

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Ed Huntress

I am sitting in my Laz E Boy with a wireless keyboard on my lap, system unit and monitor are on a table next to me and the big screen is in front of me. There is also a PC connected to the big screen with a wireless workstation so I could use that if I wanted but it is mostly a MP3 and Netflix machine when it is not on the satellite. My wife has her monitor on the wall next to her chair and the system unit is behind the chair. If you count the 3 DVRs there are 6 computers in this room (also 3 in my computer room, one in the kids room and one out by the pool)

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gfretwell

There is no better computer chair than the Laz E Boy.

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Metspitzer

One of the three monitors in front of me is a small HDTV, a 22" Vizio plugged into the computer that records HDTV. Usually it's switched directly to the TV cable and the power-hungry computer turned off.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

Tradesmen don't pay taxes???? News to me.

Amplifying on the other respondent's observation I'd carry it even further--

If you live in or anybody you do business with or whose products you use are located in a jurisdiction which uses NEC as a basis for local code you're a user.

In the US, there's virtually nowhere that doesn't use NEC as a basis for local code but it is not, afaik, formally legislated to be legislative requirement anywhere.

It's pervasive but doesn't actually have an legal standing as law, only as a basis for Code.

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dpb

So who else shall we subsidize with general tax money? If you read, I write. You can subsidize me, if you're in that mode of thinking.

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Ed Huntress

Which is paid by the manufacturers of electrical devices, and insurance companies.

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Michael A. Terrell

GET SOME MORE PARK KEEPERS, GARDENERS AND SANITATION CREWS TO WATCH YOUR KIDS WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING IN THE PARK AND TO BEAUTIFY AND KEEP YOUR DIRTY NEIGHBORHOODS CLEAN WHEN YOUR DIRTY KIDS AND WIVES LITTER THE PLACE ALL UP LIKE THEY'RE FROM THE GHETTO AFTER WORK, SCHOOL AND PLAY.

PAT ECUM

Wow. How about some more people to harvest whatever it is you're smokin' in that pipe?

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Ed Huntress

On 4/25/2011 5:16 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: ...

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dpb

If we're going to subsidize electricians by making complete files or printouts of the code -- an essential tool of their work -- free, and if we justify that by saying that everyone benefits, then when I write a tutorial on wringing gage blocks or grinding high-speed steel, why shouldn't someone pay for my dictionaries and stylebooks?

In other words, I don't necessarily object to the idea, it's just that I don't think much of the selective nature of the subsidies. d8-)

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Ed Huntress

At least if you wrote an article on wringing gage blocks, you would not add a paragraph every couple of years and require everyone that wanted to wring gage blocks to buy the latest edition.

Well technically you are not required to buy the latest edition of the NEC, but they sure do not sell a slim volume of the pen and ink changes to bring a previous edition up to the current edition. If they did sell something that had the differences in the latest edition it would make understanding the code too easy and the NEC would not be a barrier to reduce competition.

Dan

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dcaster

That is becoming a common gripe about the NEC. They produce a new cycle every 3 years. The proposal period for changes is only open about a year of that and it usually takes the municipalities more than a year to get the new code adopted. This means that by the time the real users get familiar enough with the new code to find problems it is too late to get it changed for the next cycle. As you pointed out it also generates a lot of money for NFPA being able to sell new books every 3 years. Most of the professionals end up with a code book, a handbook and a summary of changes book ... at least. Now they also want to charge you for the PDF too, even if you bought the book (there were a few early additions with a coupon for a free PDF load included but they stopped that)

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gfretwell

You are responding to a couple people that are presumably at the crosspost at rec.crafts.metalworking but you are not crossposting there.

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