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Hi all,
Someone posted a pdf copy of the 2011 National Electrical Code over in:
news:alt.binaries.e-book.technical
Erik
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I didn't find it. What was the title in the subject line?
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TSA Supervisor wrote:

"National Electric Code" (in part). Easy to find by time & date: 12:18 today. 26 parts
Bob
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:

Oops that's "National Electrical Code".
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On Apr 23, 7:13 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

Mr. Young - What does Jesus say about stealing copyrighted material? Is that the Mormon way?
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Copyright did not exist when Jesus was out there proselytizing.
I would be very surprised if Jesus, somehow, would approve of the notion that a person may not be allowed share a copy of anything with his friend, that somehow a law may prevent people from freely sharing information.
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wrote:

I wonder what He would think of copyrighting the rules we have to follow and charging to see them. If they have legal authority they should be public domain.
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On 4/23/2011 6:38 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

The don't have legal authority first off...
Second, I'd expect from the rest of the general theology, He would also respect personal property and fully understand intellectual property rights as well...altho I think both are somewhat mundane topics compared to the area of real concern expressed in the message...
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Then we don't have to follow it.
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Say what? Smashing up the money-changers' booths at the Temple! NO respect for private property!!!
(Test: Who knows why the so-called money changers were actually ng at the plaza before the actual entrance to the Temple?)
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I thought I'd tackle your question for the sake of my education. Was it because they were exchanging roman coins that bore "craven images" for local money that was acceptable inside the temple? -- Tom Horne
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On 4/24/2011 2:59 AM, Higgs Boson wrote: ...

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Different issue entirely...
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wrote:

Great. Now, who puts them together and writes them down? And who pays those people? The federal government?
I've always thought that Corvettes want to be free, too. d8-)
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:34:31 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

NFPA used to be a genuine code writing group that concentrated on safety and publishing standards at a reasonable price for the masses. They have become a marketing arm for the corporate representatives who dominate the code making panels. The NEC has become a way of selling products that do not even exist when they are written into the codes and they get perfected in the customer's home, at the point of a government gun. When they are found to be deficient, nobody reimburses the customer, or the contractor who has to replace them. It should be noted that the NEC is the only major building code in most states that is adopted as the NFPA document, not written into law and published by the government. Veeck v NFPA found that these codes had to be made public so NFPA responded with a very cumbersome interface on their web site. It is virtually unusable but it does meet the legal description of "public". There is some value in the printed books but I am not sure they are really worth the $85 they charge. They also charge the same price to download this PDF. They stopped selling the more capable CD versions. I have bought the NEC every cycle since 1987 and usually the handbook on soft copy since they were available because I need it but if someone who is a casual user wants to download this, I say go for it.. As for NFPA, fuck the greedy bastards.
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On 4/23/2011 10:08 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Electrical_Code "In the United States, statutory law cannot be copyrighted and is freely accessible and copyable by anyone." This refers to the same legal case as g does above.
The wikipedia article has a link to a site with state electrical codes that are downloadable. Someone who downloaded one said it was the NEC with a few pages at the start relevant to that state.
My opinions: - making available an electronic copy of the NFPA published NEC is not legal (I think the layout may be protected). That would include an NFPA created pdf, if there are any. - typing that text from the published one and distributing it is legal. (Could be done by scanning removing formatting.) - creating a downloadable state electrical code, which includes the NEC is legal.
When I looked a while ago, the state code source linked by wikipedia had other state codes(not just electrical).
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Ed Huntress wrote:

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Here's an interesting quote from the Wikipedia article on the NEC: "In the United States, statutory law cannot be copyrighted and is freely accessible and copyable by anyone.[1] When a standards organization develops a new coding model and it is not yet accepted by any jurisdiction as law, it is still the private property of the standards organization ... Once the coding model has been accepted as law, it loses copyright protection and may be freely obtained at no cost."
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Then the government has to pay -- with tax money -- to produce it. And the standards organization will not pay for the whole project out of its own pocket, unless it's very wealthy.
Somebody has to pay for it, Bob. Who do you think that should be, the users or the taxpayers?
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Is there a difference?
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wrote:

The "users" are the tradesmen who use it in their work. The taxpayers are the rest of us.
Raging socialism, once again. d8-)
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My idea of users is a bit broader. If you live in a house with electricity, you are an indirect user of the NEC.
Dan
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