Paslode Nail Gun - Being Made in China !

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Well, just to let you guys know, I have been made aware of a very unfortunate piece of information. Paslode has decided to have their major internal components for the cordless nail gun group, to be manufactured and machined in China. This may not sound like much, but this amounts to 95 % of the internal workings of the gun. This will include all framers as well as trimmers. This will more than likely lead to more failures in the field, and God knows when we pay as much for these tools as we do, we expect them to work ! Oh well, another quality tool down the crapper !!!
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- A Concerned Woodworker -

- Nehmo Quality of a product doesnt necessarily suffer when the manufacturing operations are moved from the US to China. The company can use same quality control procedures at the new location. But I suspect your objection to Paslodes decision comes from protectionism rather than a concern for quality. If thats so, then you need to find a better issue than quality. The US isnt known for top quality anymore.
Probably for legal and economic reasons, Paslode decided it was more efficient to manufacture these components in China. The other elements of the Paslodes business, design, marketing, and the remaining manufacturing processes, still take place in the US. http://www.paslode.com/jobs/plantloc.html . Thats how the economy of manufacturing works. You have something done where it is cheapest, legally possible, or most convenient to have it done.
Anyway, where did you learn about this? I welcome the news myself. Maybe because of this Ill be able to afford one of their (currently-overpriced) guns someday.
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Suffice it to say, I have first hand knowledge. And the quality problem will be in the materials used, and the expertise (or lack thereof) in their skilled labor.
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Unless you've been at the Paslode factory in China, you have NO first hand knowledge!!
I give Paslode credit for doing their homework before making such a decision...they're not paid to put the company out of business. But of course, you could wind up being right and sales will suffer. Welcome to the free marketplace.
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Nehmo,
I'm sure you've heard of the trade deficit... Enjoy the outrageously cheap merchandise while you can. I'm no expert on gloabalization, but it seems pretty obvious the current situation can't go on forever. I'd be the worlds biggest hypocrite to say I've never bought anything made overseas, but each time it's with a twinge of guilt and the sinking feeling that I'm somehow contributing to the decline of our great nation. Eventually the hens will come home to roost.
**If** the cheaper price actually gets passed on to the consumer, then I suppose this could be viewed as an upside for the general population. On the flipside, it's probably safe to say this development is bad news for the US workers who used to manufacture those parts...or the stores they spent their paychecks at...or the guy next door to the plant who sold them lunch...or the contractor who was going to build them a house...etc...etc...
Richard Johnson PE Camano Island, WA
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Rich-out-West wrote:

About right. The only guys that're getting rich are the CEOs and decision makers (BTW 99% are your fellow WASP homeboys) who cut cost at the expense of the workers and pat themselves on the back with "cost cutting bonus".
Not even China gets all that much benefits out of it. First of all China doesn't trade with US only. China's overall trade is par or deficit (China runs trade deficit with a lot of countries.) And the factory is probably owned by Paslode, yet another concern for China's economic fragility - large foreign ownership of domestic production.
Time to kick some y'all's benedict arnold homeboy CEO's asses, instead of scapegoating China.

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I commend those ceo's for doing their job. They are at least saving some jobs in the domestic sector rather than giving the business away to the competitor.
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yaofeng wrote:

Read about Lou Dobbs' "Exporting America : Why Corporate Greed Is Shipping American Jobs Overseas":
(Amazon.com product link shortened)
On a personal note, I've had sales rep bragging how much money he can save me by getting consultants from overseas on L-1 visa loophole, and stuff them four to an extend-stay suite. As far as I can tell, these poor souls are getting paid couple dollare more than Wal-mart employee.
Do you think that's commendable?
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charles snipped-for-privacy@my-deja.com wrote:

Sounds like he and charles liu think corporate is supposed to do beneficial job rather than making/saving money.

I think charles liu might wanna tell all others his reaction. Maybe he hire these poor souls to save money and his job?
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Well sorta.... Actually they take their walmart rate salary send it all back home then when they get back that money goes 100 times as far as it would in this country and they actually live quite well.
I'm as American as Apple pie and as white newly grown cotton. I cant stand all the outsourcing as I'm in the tech industry but I do understand the raw economics behind why its done. Quality is a WHOLE differnet issue.
Here's an new twist on capitalism at its best. I couldnt believe it till I read it with my own eyes. Then I thought damn this guy is creative.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/170632.shtml
I hope he gets shot down but I give him an A++++++++ for effort and creativity. I cant wait to see how they try to stop him
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:17:27 -0400, NuckinFutz wrote:

People like these are a direct threat to everything the US stands for (on paper anyway). That giant sucking sound you hear is our country going down the drain......
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050430 1241 - Eye O. Newt posted:

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Richard:

The Constitution of the PRC clearly states that all real estate, buildings, houses, factories, roads, farms (except for some collectives), equipment, machine tools, and all means of production are the property of the state. The document is available on the website of the PRC.
In the PRC individuals are permitted ownership only of personal property, e.g., clothes and furniture.
Foreign owners of businesses may own those legal entities as ideas, however, the state does not recognize the private ownership of the physical assets or physical means of production.
The supposed "capitalism" is only a phenomenon that exists in the realm of personal property and cash. The production assets of firms, that exist only by permission in the PRC, are all owned by the PRC.
Don't kid yourself. The PRC is a communist state in which the individual has no rights whatsoever.
It is terribly unfortunate that American business pragmatists have not dropped their pragmatism and affinity for tyrannical socialism and decided to do business with free-enterprise firms and countries in the free world.
Ralph Hertle
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Ralph Hertle wrote:

Could you cite the source?

Care to explain to us how it works in Hawaii?

Have you actually been to China? My guess is you haven't.

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charles snipped-for-privacy@my-deja.com wrote:

Can u give a counter example?

Care to explain how to buy a house in Hawaii?

How bout u? U think having play golf in Shenzhen makes u know more than others bout China?
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Ralph Hertle wrote:

Ralph, China amend their constitution quite a bit in the last 20 years. Just in case you haven't kept up with the times, China amended their real property rights law last year, and this year more changes are on the table. Here's an article titled "Will China's Property Rights Surpass U.S.'s?"
http://www.freemarketnews.com/pview/5771/875/html/index.php

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charles snipped-for-privacy@my-deja.com:
The Constitution of the PRC, dated 1982, is posted at:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html
If there is any doubt as to what the leaders of the PRC intend, they have provided an explanatory statement in Section II of the Constitution:
"Under the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the guidance of Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought, the Chinese people of all nationalities will continue to adhere to the people's democratic dictatorship and follow the socialist road, persevere in reform and opening to the outside, steadily improve socialist institutions, develop socialist democracy, improve the socialist legal system and work hard and self-reliantly to modernize industry, agriculture, national defense and science and technology step by step to turn China into a socialist country with prosperity and power, democracy and culture."
After the public relations niceties are stripped away it is patently clear that they are a socialist dictatorship. They themselves say so.
They do not mean the same thing by the term rights that Americans do. They mean that people may have priveledges that are accorded by the state, and the document says repeatedly that the government determines the regulations and rules of everything in the state. Be certain of one thing - there is no universal protected liberty in the PRC.
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Stay away from the PRC and conduct business with free individuals in the free world nations.
Many business trade publications in the USA are expressing editorial content that the PRC is repeatedly violating the intellectual property and patents rights owned by western individuals and companies. In many attempts where western firms have sued the PRC agencies and enterprises and won the actions, the PRC has refused to pay the awarded damages. The PRC is conducting a vicious rip off scheme, and that policy was initiated in the earliest days of Marxism in the USSR. Communism is a parasitical type of social system.
Ralph Hertle
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Ralph Hertle wrote:

Oooo, 1982, over 20 years old. Do you have something more current, like the article I posted that talked about China's real property rights amendments in 2004 and 2005?
A mere 50 some years ago blacks didn't have civil rights in America per our constitution. Also, didn't our own constitution, with public relations niceties stripped away, actually said only white men are equal (not even women), and God gave us the rights to steal land from the Native Americans? (recalling the atrocities we committed with constitutional authority, during Manifest Destiny period)
Oh sure, our constitution have evolved - well so have theirs.

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[snip]

Since you've raised the issue, you ought to at least get it right. Especially in rural areas of China, the state owns the land, but families own their own homes. It's a lot like Hawaii in that way, and Hong Kong has always had government ownership of the land, while the homes, apartment blocks, office buildings, etc., built on that land were owned separately. Hong Kong's famous land "sales" are actually 99-year property leases.
For what it's worth, the Chinese constitution says:
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Article 11. The individual economy of urban and rural working people,
operated within the limits prescribed by law, is a complement to the
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