Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
Any help would be appreciated.
There could be a few reasons for the streaks.
1. Lack of spreading the paint evenly.
2. Cheap roller covers.
3. Not a thick enough nap for the roller covers
4. Lack of primer
5. Type of paint.
and maybe more things I can't think of which others may.
1. You need to make sure you evenly spread the paint as you're rolling on a
surface. Think of "feathering" with each roll and overlap each section you
roll going along the surface.
2. Cheap rollers don't absorb the paint very well or have poor nap which can
leave streaks from the edges.
3. A thin nap can also leave streak since you're not applying enough paint
on the surface.
4 & 5 speak for themselves.
Also, are you using a flat sheen? The sheen for ceilings should be flat.
Using a gloss, semi-gloss or anything shinier than a flat will display more
of the imperfections from the application. Especially with the light that
shines on to it.
Hope some of this helps.
I always overlap my strokes when using a roller. The end that is attached
to the handle is the leading edge and the other end is the trailing edge and
that's the one you want to overlap as there is less pressure on that end.
Aside from that, from where I sit, it's sounds like perhaps it's not very
good quality paint or was not mixed well enough.
Are you saying the old paint is the same type and brand, or just
"white"? 12mm? That translates
to about 1/2", which is too long nap for a smoothe
wall or ceiling. Should use 1/4". You probably have gotten some
semi-permanent ridges of
paint on your ceiling, unless you sand them down prior to the next
painting. I'm not familiar
with your paint .. is it water base, semi-gloss?
If you want to get rid of the ridges, they should probably be sanded.
Rolling paint is my least
favorite paint task, as in the wrong kind of light it is difficult to be
free of all roller marks. Have
to make sure the roller isn't loaded too much by rolling off on the
pan. Much better to go two
thin coats and risk not covering entirely the first. If you are going
to sand, it might be a good idea
to put on a coat of primer so you know paint isn't soaking into the ceiling.
Sounds like low quality paint to me. Cheap stuff has less pigment and
lower hiding power. Often extra coats show no improvement.
Also sometimes with water damage you need a sealer otherwise stain can
bleed through new paint.
Had that problem. My wife liked the white color of Behr paint at Home Depot,
so I used it in the kitchen. Could NOT get the roller marks out, made it
acceptable, but not perfect after 4 coats and swore never the use that paint
A year later I painted my son's bedroom with the top grade of Moore's paint,
and it looks great, with 2 coats.
Sometimes it is the paint. An old saying is "there is no such thing as
cheap paint that is good, but there can be a good paint that is cheap". I'll
let you figure it out.
It sounds as though you were putting too much pressure on the roller in
order to get most of the paint onto the wall. You need to rotate the roller
a few times in the pan to get an even fill. When rolling onto the ceiling
go easy and let the roller do the work. Replenish paint on the roller
often. Sometimes I will roll across the previous applied paint from another
direction to even it out. I only use Benjamin Moore paint. On a smooth
surface I use a short nap roller.
You may need to lightly sand the ceiling now to smooth it out before
The streaks are showing up only at certain times because the light is
hitting the ceiling at the correct angle to make the streaks most
Sand the ceiling with a pole sander with 180 grit sandpaper changing it
often as it will load up..You MAY have to touch up the bad ridges if they
don;t sand off easily with joint compound. Sand the touch-ups. Then apply 2
coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME brand) FLAT WHITE
CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying close attention to
the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet edge" and work
quickly.. Good luck...
Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready because
the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking many years
ago when we first married...LOL...
Basic physics, partner: no matter how high your ceiling, a certain
amount of your cooking effort aerosolizes - particularly boiling
liquids and oils in fry/sautee pans - and gets on every surface in the
kitchen, not just nearby surfaces. A semi-gloss paint is not
necessary; eggshell or satin finish will do nicely, too. But you want
an easily scrubbable or cleanable surface.
Whether you want to go to the extra expense for a kitchen/bath paint
which allegedly contains anti-mildewing ingredients for the two places
in the house that get the most humid...well, that's up to you.
But no flat in the kitchen, please. Or the bath - that stuff will just
stain, slough and slide like crazy (says the guy who's dealing with
the after-effects of the previous owners hiring drunken chimpanzees to
paint the house).
Jesh , calm down and get a sense of humor...I was joking.(notice the LOL's)
The OP ( who hasn't even bothered to check back with more info) isn't very
good at painting and was trying to cover up the mess he has made of his
ceiling and I pointed him to the most forgiving paint which is flat white
ceiling paint which is "normally" fine...I have drywalled hundreds of houses
over the last 20 or so years and we typically spray one coat of primer on
ceilings and walls then spray 2 coats of flat white ceiling paint on all the
ceilings back rolling it as we go..I have also done many repair jobs on
existing ceilings and I have only seen the greasy messes that you all seemed
concerned about in restaurants..Granted , I'm in Maine so maybe it's a
regional or ethnic thing...Sorry if I "offended" anyone..I forget that you
can't joke around anymore....Can't hurt anybodies feelings , don't you
know...Just not PC anymore...Oh well.....plonk away...
I have fixed the problem. It appears the quality of the roller was
the big problem. I bought a low budget roller from Crappy Tire and it
sucked. I went to home depot and bought what they said was the best
roller they got. It rolled the ceiling perfectly. Thanks for the
help and all the very interesting replies !!!!
If the cook is frying everyday or even just once-a-week fish fry, the
area around the stove will eventually get greasy, including the
ceiling. I have cheap builders paint on the ceiling, never painted
after 18 years. It looks new, I don't fry. A gloss paint is good
protection, but a gloss paint will reveal nail pops, flaws, and warps
much more than a flat paint so a gloss paint might require
considerable preparation work.
Speaking of vents... I looked at a rather nice house to buy (it was
about $340K). I like everything about it except it blew cooking
smoke, grease, steam and whatever else up into a hood and directed the
blast back into the room toward the face! The stove was on an inside
wall. I did not buy it.
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