Paint formula changes

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On Tue, 27 May 2014 08:11:37 -0400, "David Martel"

several years later - but if, as was intimated, they changed the BASE used, the formula will also change, and the colour match will be a real crapshoot. I'd try having the paint store ad the missing parts of toner to match the original formula and see what happens.
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Agreed.
Way back when the Univacs ruled the world, my CompSci professor addressed this very question in another form. He asked us "should a carpenter have to know electric motor theory and design to be able to use a power drill?" Of course not. Yet we often expect computer users to need to know a lot more about the technology of computers than they have to in order to get a simple job done.
It's why I always smile a bit when Linux is proposed as an alternative to Windows. Some people say "Windows is like driving with an automatic transmission and Linux is like driving a stickshift" but the reality is that Linux is like driving a Formula One race car where nearly all operation are carried out through the controls on the steering wheel. It's a very, very different paradigm. The auto/stick analogy is perhaps better suited to comparing Macs to PCs where PC's are the stickshift.
Why should we expect a person with a question he wants answered to care a whit about newsreaders, Usenet, threads, etc? All they really want is to have their question answered and sites like Google and DIY banter have evolved to allow them to do that without having to learn how to acquire, configure and use a newsreader.
Yet it seems to be a source of great consternation for those who instead of welcoming a new poster who comes to us through Homeowner's Hub or such other portals, bash them for not "praying properly" to the great Usenet god. Ironically some of the bashers seem to be quite religious types. It makes it easy to understand the phrase "For religion is the greatest inspirer of hatred the world has ever seen, and it shows no sign of losing that character in its old age. (Mencken - 1928) Change "religion" to "dogmatic thought" and the results are pretty much identical.
Lots of people post questions from their work enviroment and may not even be able to use a standard newsreader because those ports are blocked. My chief complaint with GG is that it seems to add blank lines for no particular reason and responding to a GG post often involves tedious reformatting to eliminate all the crap. I wonder if it's a setting issue, like line length, because some GG posts are rife with double, triple and quad spacing whereas some appear to come out normally.
Since I never use GG to post (it's too "infesterated" with javascript among other issues, I can't tell if they even allow changing line length and word-wrap functions. I just tried looking for an answer in Google's help forums but you can't use those, either, without enabling javascript. Just for fun, I copied the error message showing all the ways Google tries to "feel you up:"
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av wrote:

First you should have looked harder for the original can of paint and painted a card to be matched. But, why get upset, if you don't like the paint, take it back for a refund! Doesn't have to be anything wrong or a mistake; the only reason you need is that you don't like it. All the rest that they told you sounds like nonsense as is your idea that they would save money by using less colorant.
Take the gallon back for a refund. Have them match the old paint if that is what you want. It's not a problem.
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av writes:

Paint technology as both a consumer item and trade item is besotted with ignorance, because that's what appeals to most people, such as calling colors "French Blue" and the like. It's nothing but a proportion of various chemical pigments. They should specify and sell it that way. But no woman is going to buy a lamp black, thalo blue, and magenta blend when she can have "French Blue".
Most people have no idea what "latex" means in paint. They think it has something to do with rubber.
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On Thursday, July 1, 2004 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, av wrote:

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I think it is rather fruitless to try to find a match going by color NAME....there are only so many names to slap on a can. Good idea to keep a log of color formulas you have used, as that is the best way to find a match. That said, there is bound to be some variation in brands or batches of tinting pigments. Bringing in a sample of the color to be matched is best....a good paint dept./store will mix the color, take a sample and DRY it, then adjust accordingly. And after all that, if using different batches of paint, mix them whenever possible before the first is depleted so that if there is a slight variation they will be blended.
It is a mystery to me how "fashion trends" are decided a year or two in advance of producing products (paint, wallpaper, furniture, fabric, etc.), but that is how it goes. Behr and everyone else likely pay a lot of attention to which colors are selling and which are not.
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Cerda,
The actual color that a paint dries to varies. Different lots made on different days are different colors. Your expectation that you would get a color match was unrealistic.
Dave M.
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On Thursday, July 1, 2004 9:56:13 AM UTC-4, av wrote:

I work for a paint company, so I was the subject of all chemical compositio ns in paints react differently to different colorants, what I mean is that if you sold them a different line of paint (different than the original ) s hould not necessarily apply the same formula and / or colorants, ask them t o comply with (2 units Magneta and 4 Thalo blue) but do not guarantee the r esults, because unknown to the chemical values of the two paintings, the sa me problem try in our company almost daily, by state regulations, we have i mproved the quality of our products by eliminating chemical contaminants, t hat in turn affects the reaction of the dyes in the new base to the extent that we have to adjust the formula to achieve the former colors. we recomme nd you repaint.
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