Instead of a rotator, you could add another antenna pointed to the other
station, run the coax from it and the other one to a selector switch
inside. My grandparents'house in upstate NY had a setup like that in the
Interesting alternative, thanks...I'll first find out if it appears the
other is even accessible w/ the new antenna, then decide what to do.
It looks like it would be about same $$-wise; only real potential
problem I see is I'm not sure the antenna tower has the strength w/o
some significant modification to handle the extra weight against the W
KS winds so I might choose the rotor route for that reason alone.
I think it just dawned on me the underlying difference here -- it's
owing to age, most likely. While I spent my technical career on
computers from the old tube- and discrete solid-state beasties "in the
beginning" to today's desktops and workstations, the fact is that
fundamentally I'm still a paper person as most of my generation are. I
see the same dichotomy with the current students at the Community
College -- everything for them seems to have to be electronic.
My answer to the two points above which are essentially like talking
with/observing the students are "turn the page back" and "stick the
bookmark in", respectively.
So, we geezers had those capabilities long before TIVO (or even TV) was
As I noted in a response a little bit ago just before this struck me,
you chose/prefer the electronic medium, I choose and am much more
comfortable w/ the printed still for this kind of information and for
my entertainment I still really prefer the mental images generated from
the printed word over the direct picture of the movie screen.
Far SW KS. Cattle are subject to suffocation in heavy snow/wind from
nostrils becoming hard-packed with snow they can't get clear. This was
severe blizzard conditions of high snowfall rates combined with 40-50
mph winds for a period of 24 to nearly 48 hours in some locations.
Total numbers I've heard so far are about 1-2,000 head in KS, but
there's fear in SE and E CO of as many as 30,000 in serious jeopardy.
I've not heard hard counts as yet from there, but the Guards of both KS
and CO are still helicopter-dropping hay to stranded cattle. The other
serious problem now is, of course, water since most rural areas are
still without power and all water here is subterranean. They can get a
little by trying to eat some snow, of course, but by now it's frozen
solid with some thawing and then the hard freezing over night and in
many places covered by inch or more of ice so can't get sufficient
water for a longer term that way.
We were in the freezing rain band for most of the duration as the front
essentially stalled and didn't move more the 40-50 miles from Friday
until it finally cleared here late Saturday. Even then, further north
and west where the worst was continued to get snow and wind from the
"backside" wraparound effect behind the low long after (like another 12
hours or more) it was already clear here. We had over 5" of
precipitation of which 2" or so was freezing rain, so you can imagine
what that would have amounted to in all snowfall and high winds. The
NWS total precipitation radar estimates had a maximums of nearly 12"
moisture when it was over. I suspect this was an over-estimate since
those areas were almost all snow rather than rain, but I have heard 8"
I don't have any specific URLs, but look for news stories on the
storm(s) of last two week(s) in CO and KS. I've not looked to see what
sort of coverage the Denver Post gave to the second storm that mostly
bypassed them after the Christmas week bullet on the airport, but would
be a start. Wichita Eagle, Hutchinson, (KS) News, Garden City and
Dodge City, KS, Lamar and LaJunta (CO) are possibilities. We take the
Wichita paper and they've had some coverage, but certainly not on the
details of the livestock operations although do mention numbers and
general problems. Not had the newest High Plains Journal, a weekly ag
paper to see what their coverage is, but their site is at www.hpj.com
and might be of some interest anyway.
I'll add a lot of the suffocation also comes when the herd up and try
to find shelter, they'll drift along w/ the wind and tend to head to
low spots like any gulleys or washouts that may provide some windbreak.
In high wind and snow that gets to belly high or deeper, it's also
easy for them to get down and then they're in real trouble. It's
virtually impossible for an individual to walk and stay upright in such
conditions, not much easier for them. The one single large loss I
mentioned was at a large feeding operation and I'm sure a lot of them
were in a particular lot or two and a bunch herded together and went
A lot of the area, particularly E CO is open range. Most of W KS isn't
actually open range, but in such wind and snow, even barbed wire fences
are pretty much of no use once the snow drifts over them.
With the larger operations as here, though, there simply isn't any way
possible to have cover for thousands of cattle or even feasible to try
to collect them when scattered over large open range pastures. Believe
me, if there were any way, they certainly would as the economic loss is
We are on the smaller end of operations running from 1-2000 head over
winter on wheat pasture depending on the year and have enough space at
the lots to accomodate roughly two-thirds that. Except for those on
rented pasture that may be upt to 20 miles away, we can usually manage
to bring most of ours into the corrals at the house if the forecast is
really dire. It's these kinds of decisions that are why I'm so
interested in truly localized weather -- the forecast for (and actual
event) even 30 miles away for this storm was drastically different than
Warning -- geezer story coming!!
The last blizzard here of this magnitude I went through personally was
'57. My brother and I were jr-high/early hi-school age. With our dad
we brought the cattle in off pasture to the corrals and finished the
morning the snow started shortly after noon. It was snowing heavily,
but no wind as we finished up unsaddling the horses, etc. out in the
barn, roughly 100 yards due east of the house. Just then, the wind hit
and went from near-calm to almost 60 mph in only a few minutes at
most--seemed instantaneous. Could see absolutely nothing, even your
hand at the end of your arm and barely able to stand leaning into the
wind. Dad tied the three of us together so as to not get separated and
we started off across the driveway to the house. We ended at the
chicken coop, having in that time traveled farther south than west,
even in our own driveway that we could have walked blind-folded from
directly to the yard gate! From that point we were able to follow the
yard fence and get back to the house. A few yards further south and we
would have missed any other outbuildings entirely and had a very
difficult time indeed in finding out precisely where we were. Could
have easily been lost on own farmstead. That one lasted from that
Saturday noon until late Monday before the wind abated. At that time,
we saw we had drifts that nearly covered the tops of 30-ft light poles.
That's about what this storm was for those in the brunt of it although
from what I've heard, it was more actual snow but not quite as strong
End of geezer story... :)
<VBG> Yeah, I'm a geezer-in-making, more accurately, probably... :)
I no longer get carded or asked about senior discounts anywhere,
though, including the discounts for the local high school athletic
events -- about the last holdout I had, I think... :(
I'd heard of those two, both just ahead of my being old enough to
recall. How bad the were here I don't know offhand. You guys
typically get more snow up there than we, anyhow, but when it decides
to, it can be pretty nasty most anywhere out here...
If I were you, I would check on what your local stations plans are for
DTV (digital television conversion). The current NTSC analog/hybrid
TV system as we know it is scheduled for shutdown on Feb. 17, 2009
(This does not necessarily apply to translators, but it does apply to
full power stations). You could be making a big investment for
nothing. You will also need to buy a new tv or a DTV signal
Over the air reception of terrrestrial DTV signals is possible. You
may need a different antenna though and the TV stations new digital
transmitters may not be located at the same site as their current
transmitters. Every locality will be somewhat different.
Here is a link for more info:
Note that DTV does not necessarily mean HDTV (High Definition
Television). The stations are allocated the channel and the
bandwidth. It's up to them how they decide to use it.
Just my opinion here... With all of these changes coming in the next
two years, the satellite dish doesn't sound like a bad option.
You say you can't get a clear shot of the southern sky. Are there
mountains in Wichita? The look angle is pretty high and unless you
have trees everywhere on your property, it should be possible in most
situations to get a clear shot at the satellite.
We're only talking $100 or so for an antenna, looks like might be maybe
$200 max for the rotor w/ the IR repeater, so it's not a huge
investment, certainly. If I do forego the rotor, not at all bad.
The 2009 date is still two years away and I personally kinda' doubt it
will actually come to pass then, anyway, but whatever is available then
to deal with it will undoubtedly be better and cheaper and less of a
risk then than now. I think it highly unlikely the locations of the
translators will change (as in zero probability -- they cover the area
now and there are now other sizable population centers other than where
they currently are and overall the area population is declining, not
increasing, except for a few counties.
I think it just as good an option to wait and see what actually
transpires. (Best laid plans, and all... :) )
:) There are the Wichita Mountains, but that's different... :)
We're actually 250 miles roughly from Wichita itself, but that's where
the main stations for the translators are located. And, yes, it's
pretty non-mountainous. I used to tell folks in TN our definition of a
hill was couldn't see car coming down the road, and a BIG hill was
couldn't see a combine. :) It's actually slightly closer straight-line
distance to Denver and/or Amarillo than Wichita.
That isn't exactly what I said -- what I said was the current antenna
mounting location didn't have clear access which is a different
limitation. I'm not particularly interested in moving the antenna
tower at present and have an aversion against mounting stuff on the
house and the pumphouse which would be a convenient location for power
and orientation is far enough from the house (at least until perhaps
new technology might eliminate it) would need additional equipment plus
the effort of burying feed line, etc., as I don't want any more
overhead wires that it just isn't an effort I want to invest in at
least at the present time...
I wouldn't exactly say no effect. The standards for tv set reception
are changing, regardless of whether your signal comes from antenna,
satellite dish, or cable. The NTSC method of delivery over what has
been known as VHS CH 2-13 is going away. The UHF band 14-83 is being
allocated to the new DTV Transmitters. Currently, cable and
satellite boxes use these frequencies (primarily CH3 or CH4) to output
a RF signal to many NTSC TV sets. (In some cases, the more modern
sets receive baseband NTSC video and seperate (stereo) audio. The
new demodulated TV signals will be all digital and the sets will be
Certain cable and satellite companies may elect to keep current
equipment and provide you with a convertor box. In many cases, you
might be able to keep your existing TV set or DVR. It's too early for
them to announce their plans just yet, but you can also expect a push
from them to get you to upgraded technology.
Low cost convertors are predicted to be available. Most people will
probably wind up buying a new TV set if they want to receive all
channels + new features. The big manufactuers are already licking
their chops! Imagine a nation of 300 million people changing to a
new TV system with a specific day deadline.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:35:35 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Beachcomber)
No direct effect, and what effect there is will be delayed. Often by
Also, cable companies will be getting much of their stuff from
satellite, which isn't directly effected by the law either.
Doesn't that apply only to OTA broadcasts?
BTW, one of the ATSC stations around here broadcasts on channel 10
right now. Maybe that's temporary.
Sometimes necessary, but should be avoided when possible because of
the lower quality. This should become less common with time, since
newer sets usually have A/V inputs but not because of the law.
There's no need for a converter box (when you didn't already need one)
unless they (the cable company) changed their equipment.
Probably so, it's just that the law doesn't require them to.
Most of those that can afford it. There are those who can't.
Which has already been put off several times. Why would you be so sure
it won't be again?
congress passed a law giving most people a free converter....
the old saying goes, dont mess with tv or beer, keep the voters happy.
the turn of if and when it occurs will have minimal effect on most folks
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