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WalMart built their business model around this concept and drastically increased importation from China, so much so they import more from China than entire countries. If WalMart were a country they'd be something like China's 6th largest export partner. WalMart invaded every area of the country driving out its competition. They dealt with suppliers similarly. If suppliers couldn't beat the falsely lower price of Chinese made goods, the US supplier went out of business. WalMart being so big has that much influence on its suppliers. One by one medium to smaller manufacturers just shut their doors because they couldn't compete with imported goods from China.

The imported goods from China aren't necessarily cheaper though. China manipulates their currency to make sure their goods sell cheaper in our markets.

Strategically China wants to weaken our manufacturing capability and they couldn't have done so without the help of WalMart. Every other company sells Chinese goods as well but none have the market power of WalMart -- which built itself with the help of China.

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For a suitable definition of "improving".

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dpb

Mark Anderson wrote

Yep, and Japan did exactly the same thing at one time.

Nope, dumping is something else entirely, selling stuff at below cost.

Yep.

Nope, it can also be done to get rid of excess stock.

Doesnt ever happen.

Or its better to get something for your excess stock than nothing.

Nope, it aint been closed down, most obviously with cars and aircraft.

Wrong again. Manufacturing what china sells is a very small part of any modern first world economy and the economy benefits from the low cost goods from that country.

It didnt even have a significant effect on the unemployment rate given that its still 4.x%, one of the lowest in the entire world.

There are others that havent floated their currency.

Yes, but it would still happen. Thats what Japan did eventually and the trade imbalance was still a problem when they did.

Its MUCH more complicated than that. There is STILL a trade imbalance with Japan.

Nope, just increases their collection of US dollars.

Fantasy. Their long term goal is to provide much of the worlds manufacturered goods.

Congress has never had a clue about that sort of thing.

The real reason they dont do that is because the US is their biggest market and they arent stupid enough to damage the US economy because that would result in less sales of what they manufacture.

Another fantasy and it doesnt matter if they do, nukes have changed things forever and they wont be stupid enough to try doing anything much with them.

They wont even be stupid enough to try taking Taiwan back, you watch.

The US can manufacture again if that makes sense.

And since the US is their biggest customer, they aint actually that stupid.

Just like the Japs never were that stupid either.

Yours in spades.

their dollars,

They do effectively.

Some do, some dont.

And in economics 101 they also teach about elastic and inelastic demand, you obviously slept thru that.

Nope, that would just have produced higher priced goods and they would still have come from china anyway.

They aint that stupid, only you are.

Those with the largest economy dont get to be masters.

And while Japan did eventually end up with quite a bit of manufacturing, the full commercialisation of virtually all technology still continued to happen in the US first regardless. And there is no sign of that stopping any time soon, most obviously with the internet, google, paypal etc etc etc.

Have fun explaining how come it happened in countrys where Walmart doesnt bother with.

Mindlessly silly.

The US economy is doing fine and still manages to produce an unemployment rate of 4.x%

Mindlessly silly. The US is still the only world military power of any significance.

It aint about free lunches, its actually about manufacturing being only a very small part of any modern first world economy.

Cant even work out the difference between free and cheap.

The same mindless claim was made about Japan too.

We'll be doing that forever. And we will start to see much cheaper cars eventually too.

Fools like you get to like that or lump it.

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Rod Speed

Nothing. That's what you get for shopping at Wal-Mart. Errors in advertisements and zero compensation unless you choose to sue.

--Blair

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Blair P. Houghton

Good grief! Why would that friend expect anything extra? If you bought a blender that was supposed to be 7 speeds and you got one with

5, would they replace it and give you a free set of measuring cups as a consolation prize? NO. You'd just be happy they exchanged it for you. You'd also be glad they said "sorry" and gave you the one you wanted in the first place.

Buyer Beware! (Of course, "size" can be diminished by the OS)

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sf

Wrong. Hard disk are formatted at the factory. They're non- functional without formatting. I haven't seen a disk marked "for PCs only" since the year of the flood.

File system formatting. The OS can install its own filesystem. It *cannot* format a modern drive. Without formatting the hardware has no clue how to access the drive - no index marks, no track marks, no clocks, nothing.

No, modern disk have more sectors on the outside tracks (see: "zoned recording"). The sectors are the same sized though. Variable sectors aren't worth the overhead, given the size of disks these days.

Meaningless to the discussion...

Also meaningless...

Demand a tuition refund.

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krw

It doesn't. Latency bandwidth.

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krw

bah.. unfamiliar with low level factory formatting I see.. (which really is irrelevant to the disk size issue, they simply use a different definition of a megabyte, manufacturers define it at 1,000,000 bytes, while the os works only in numbers divisible by 8, starting at the kilobyte) maybe this will help with the formatting

formatting link

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Dark1

They're not padding anything. The machine has 1 gig. Just because she doesn't understand computer architecture doesn't mean she's getting ripped off.

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Larry Bud

factor is the cluster size itself.

irrelevant to the disk size issue, they

1,000,000 bytes,

So does the SI.

Pig ignorant lie. Even the MS OSs often report the decimal format.

It clearly didnt help you.

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Rod Speed

I'm quite familiar with the concept. You, OTOH, haven't heard that LLF went out with button hooks. It's been at least 20 years since users were capable of doing a LLF. The hardware ain't there.

Which is what I said.

Divisible by 8? Not many PCs use octal.

Whatever...

Like I said, demand a refund.

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krw
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It's powers of 2 (1 kilobyte = 1024 = 2^10). 8 = 2^3, just one of those powers.

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Mark Lloyd
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Low-level format is a necessity. If your drive wasn't low-level formatted (which must be done at the factory), it would be unusable.

HIGH level formatting is what your computer does. That's writing the OS to the sectors created by LLF.

To confuse matters, people are CALLING something they can do a LLF, when it just writes 0 bytes to existing sectors. It's not a LLF at all.

None do. They use binary. Other bases (octal, decimal, hexadecimal, etc...) do not exist within the computer, but are just ideas present in the users' minds.

Maybe the number you're looking for is 1,048,576 which is 2^20.

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Mark Lloyd

Bullshit. It is *only* done at the factory as part of the manufacturing process. The drive cannot function without the formatting. That is, the user cannot LLF a modern drive. Speaking of a drive's LLF is meaningless.

The LLF is done by specialized hardware. LLF is really a meaningless concept on modern drives. There is no "unformatted size".

Nope. It's writing '0's to the disk. ;-)

Of course, sorta. The PDP-11 was an octal machine (three-bit op-code fields), even some documentation and panel markings were in hexadecimal. It's just as correct to call binary the figment of the imagination.

I'm not the one with the elementary arithmetic problem.

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krw

No it isnt.

That doesnt make it an octal machine.

Nope, thats what the hardware does, the others are just representations of binary that are more convenient for humans.

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Rod Speed

Apparently some really unusual definition of "bullshit".

You admit it's essential...

As I said.

Read your own writing...

Also strange. Something can't be both meaningless and essential.

Sure there is. Consider the density of stored information within a sector, and apply that information to the entire surface(s).

Exactly what I said. Try reading before you try to disagree.

Which DOES NOT make it octal. It's just 3-bit binary (just like 394 is a 3-digit decimal numeral, not base 1000). Octal is a HUMAN representation of what's going on. Nothing to do with the computer itself.

Actually those are alphanumeric characters. Hex is your interpretation. Anyway, they're for people to read. Nothing to do with what the computer is doing.

Wrong. Binary has a 1:1 correspondence with the computer's internal data processing. No other base does.

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Mark Lloyd

Sure it does Ron, as much as it is a binary machine. Of course you're only in this for the argument, as usual, so I'll let you have it your way.

Nope. I choose to group the hardware in threes. It's then octal.

I'm not the one with Ron syndrome either.

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krw

krw wrote

Nope. Binary is the fundamental organisation of the machine.

Octal and hex are just convenient representations of binary for humans, a different matter entirely.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever.

Nope, the PDP11 doesnt even do that. Most of its ops are on bytes, not 3 bit groups.

Nope.

You clearly have a massive problem between those ears tho, whatever you call it.

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Rod Speed

si esto no es un error el equipo dice.. 252 Mb de video GMA X3100 ojo (252) y en las especificaciones del portatil dice --> 1G Ram =3D 1024 mb entonces

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772 Mb -----> esta es la RAM libre.. en las especificaiones dice 252 Mb de video (SHARE) compartido .. solo es un poco de desconociemiento de las cosas... de todos modos el computador es ta muy barato.. porque tiene un procesador CELERON M estos son nuevos procesadores de pentium son los llamados roseta. y la acelaradora GMA X3100 es excelente para correr con la mierda de windows vista... entonces en alguna otra parte encontraran un portatil a 348 ?????? HAA?? piensenlo.. pero ya no hay nada que pensar. lso computadores se acabaron a los 15 minutos, la gente hizo espera desde las 4 de la ma=F1ana ... les recomiendo que esten pendientes para el proximo jueves en la noche o viernes en la ma=F1ana... quedan 3 viernes negros

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if this is not an error the team he/she says.. 252 Mb of video GMA X3100 eye (252) and in the specifications of the portable one he/she says--> 1G Ram =3D 1024 mb then

1024 252 -

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772 Mb-----> this it is the free RAM.. in the especi 252 Mb of video says (SHARE) shared.. alone it is some desconociemiento of the things... anyway the computer is very cheap ta.. because this a processor CELERON M these they are new pentium processors they are the calls roseta. and the acelaradora GMA X3100 is excellent to run with the windows vista seen... then in some other part they did find a portable one at $348?????? HAA?? does think it.. but is anything no longer to think. lso computers finished to the 15 minutes, people made wait from 4 in the morning... I recommend them that they are pending for next Thursday in the night or Friday in the morning... they are 3 black Friday
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AleJo

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