What happens if you're "offline"? What happens if you STAY
offline? (i.e., is there a point where it simply refuses
to operate? Or, is there likely to *be* a point where it
refuses to operate unless it can "get a cookie" from it's
I tend to avoid ads (in my browser as well as what I consciously set my
eyes on). I don't buy the whole "we're trying to improve YOUR user
experience argument: if you'd wanted to do that, you'd make the
product more secure, less buggy, more responsive, etc. -- not push
advertising at me (for things you THINK that I might be interested in).
So, I'm suspicious of folks using that sort of logic to market a
*free* OS to me (or, in this case, to the kids that I'll be serving).
OTOH, this may just be "the way its going to be", going forward.
Sad that the FOSS community wastes so much time adding features
and tweeking performance instead of concentrating on offering
a reliable, stable product that could compete. But, so long
as you've got folks fixated on stroking their own sense of
*personal* accomplishment -- instead of addressing that need -- then
the trend will never change (a mindset is a tough thing to shake)
I'm sure MS is watching the numbers and won't get Draconian until they know
their users have no choice. The fact that they track how long you are
*in* windows suggests a "usage billing" option may be in the cards for
the future -- like "minutes" and "data" on your cell phone.
Maybe *that* will be what's needed to kill the kitty videos? :>
Ads in the game are not that intrusive but fact they are there makes it
annoying. As for Win 10, I heard Kim Komando say that the underlying
architecture is better. I also use ad blocks on my Win 10 desktop and
Android tablet but Android pop ups are far worse than Windows.
Websites are just as guilty of this intrusiveness crap. I was looking
at new model cars on a car maker site and later logging into another
site there was an ad for the cars I was looking at. My Firefox browser
is set to delete all cookies and history when I leave it but session
stuff can get through.
I've decided my brain is simply "wired wrong". I don't respond to ads.
When I want something, I go looking for it -- along with first-hand
(verifiable) accounts of its performance, etc.
There are *lots* of ways to track "you" and/or "your machine".
When you visit a web site, they can "profile" your browser
(Firefox/Chrome/IE/etc., plus version). They know what OS
you are running (Mac/PC, version).
They can figure out which fonts you have configured. Whether you
have flash enabled or not. Your tracking preferences. Etc.
[And, of course, they have an IP address that correlates with
you (in some way -- it may not be *your* IP address but it is
related to you!).]
So, they can play the numbers game: how many people (machines) have
this combination of these "attributes".
[In my case, my browser configuration is reasonably unique -- anything
that stores a representation of my browser "fingerprint" can identify
me (well, not *me* but, rather, my browser!) whenever I revisit the
And, there's nothing to prevent someone (someTHING) from SHARING that
information behind the scenes. E.g., every site that uses googleadservices
is effectively relaying this information to google (actually, THEY
aren't doing it but, instead, are telling *you* to do it for them!
By directing YOUR browser to fetch some bit of script from that domain!)
What do you expect with a "free" OS from a for-profit corporation??
It's going to be paid for one way or another.
Between IOS, Windows, and Android I've decided for myself and my
requirements, Windows is the lesser of 3 evils.
On 2/21/2016 5:58 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Same here. I do not mind paying but don't like the pestering that can
come with free stuff.
Short look at Linux told me I'd be paying for it with sweat equity.
I like to use computers. I like to use my cars. But, I don't care to
be tinkering under the hood with either.
Yup. Each time I've looked to Linux for an answer, I've come away
wondering if I shouldn't, instead, be asking a different QUESTION! :<
Ditto. In my case, my vocation *and* avocations lie with this sort
of technology. So, I can make it do all sorts of things for me (or
But, I'm not keen on maintaining something that shouldn't need
maintenance. When was the last time you upgraded the software in your
microwave oven? Dishwasher? Automobile?? Did any of those things
suddenly become LESS of their former selves because of the "missed"
I worked with a guy who was constantly tweaking our "math library"
(little "subprograms" that we employed in our products to perform
certain calculations). No idea what he hoped to achieve with all
the effort expended on that task (is he expecting to improve
on 2+2=4? Is there a MORE CORRECT answer??).
We would jokingly refer to his efforts as "RE-bugging the math library"
(cuz his changes inevitably broke SOMETHING)
I ran a FreeBSD 220.127.116.11R box for a couple of *years* in the early/mid 90's.
"Why upgrade? It's working fine!" With a UPS, there's no need to ever
reboot (unlike windows that requires a reboot any time you try to
change anything "significant")
I'm surprised MS hasn't scheduled a cron job to automatically initiate
reboots -- rather than FIX leaks! :>
A testament to lack of memory leaks -- esp when you consider most of
those processes start at IPL and just keep running (unlike windows apps
that can leak and have those leaks "repaired" when the process dies
and its resources are recovered!)
They've come close. The default for Server 2008 was to download and
apply patches automatically. The people in a 911 dispatch center get a
little testy when the server reboots in the middle of calls. It's easy
enough to change the setting but that means the server never gets the
updates until you absolutely have to reboot and then there can be a
hundred or so.
Windows was never meant for the five nines world.
Yeah, but the reboot(s) are to apply the patches. Imagine if they simply
forced a reboot to ensure everything was starting from a "known state"?
(Don't worry about memory leaks or data corruption; just reboot often
enough that the consequences never manifest!)
One strategy for high reliability devices is to deliberately reboot
them so they are in a known state. I.e., instead of a big loop,
just let it run one iteration and arrange for HARDWARE to kick the
reset at about the same time. Note that this differs from a watchdog
which is NEVER intended to trip -- doing so is a sign of a failure!
But, you don't do this (regular resets) to HIDE flaws but, rather,
prevent anomalous conditions from hanging your product (e.g.,
a bit getting flipped in some flag that controls your code/loop)
Yup. So, you defer the updates -- which means the problem gets bigger
as well as the cost of the eventual "fix"... which means you postpone it
It's hard making things that "just (continuously) run". My automation system
is never intended to see a reboot. So, how do you introduce updates?
Major configuration changes? New hardware? You have to address these
possibilities in the initial design -- you can't "retrofit" them!
There are a couple of very distinct attitudes towards "intellectual
property". Some folks think their ideas are extra special -- as
if the idea itself is the most important thing! Other folks realize
that the idea is cheap -- it's the development that separates the
men from the boys (perseverance, resources, resourcefulness, etc.).
Others see everything as "obvious" (often in hindsight) and, as a
result, not worth the effort to protect/capitalize upon.
After my first patent, I became so disillusioned about the whole
process that I've steadfastly refused to get involved with any
patents on any of my work. When you look at some of these
"inventions", you can't say anything other than "What a joke"!
On 2/22/2016 6:08 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Exactly. Patents only make sense to big corporations with
intimidating legal departments.
From the standpoint of a naive teenager, "patent" sounded like
something neat and impressive: "Wow! This must be a really
GOOD idea if it is patented!"
But, it's like watching sausage being made: the reality is
often very different (i.e., it's just "who got there first
and who was willing to pay the filing fees and preparation
If you want to protect something, go the trade secret route
(copyright if it makes sense -- but, you're still left
trying to locate counterfeits and argue that they are,
in fact sufficiently identical to your original work).
Trade secret, however, relies on treating your employees
well enough that they won't spill the beans. Even NDA's
only require that you treat it as you would YOUR OWN
information (so, a guy who is loose with his own personal
data can't be held to a higher standard with yours!).
Or, by far, the best approach is to simply always have
something better that keeps customers coming back to you!
Let competitors copy your functionality (which can
usually be done in less effort/time than it took you
simply because you've already done most of the thinking
for them: "What should it do, how should it work")
but you spend your time and money coming out with the
NEXT, *better* device ("Why would I want that competitor's
device? It doesn't have these other new features, capabilities,
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 18:46:47 -0700, ">>>Ashton Crusher"
I have no problem with Win10. I can't imagine the so-called "spying"
affecting me. You can easily make it "look like" Win7. So you don't
see any effect of it "spying."
I see zero ads. That's zip, zilch, nada ads.
Win10 is more robust than Win7 in my experience. Fewer hangs
and hard resets.
It also installs faster and has a smaller footprint.
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