OT Utah mine cave-in

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RickH wrote:

Nope, can't disagree a bit there, either...although Bob Murray has never been one to shy away from a camera and he would have been better served early on to have probably said far less than he did. But, his latter restraint has been much better from what film/clips I've seen/heard.
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I commented to my wife that he was making a big mistake. He should have appointed a person with experience in handling the press to do all the briefings. He was clearly out of his depth by day 2.
Harry K
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Harry K wrote: ...

You clearly don't know about Murray! :)
He's been notorious for years. Testified at congressional hearings, etc., etc., ... Says what most other independent operators probably think but consider more prudent to keep to themselves, no doubt.
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How do you lay that on the press. It was the powers that be that screwed it up by not correcting it as soon as they knew it was wrong.
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I didn't lay it on the press, I just said there was a mis- communication. It's still the presses responsibility to check the facts even if your own mother told you the facts, same with the mining company (if they are going to talk to the press at all). So it's best to tell the press to just go away.
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And even if it were the reason, I would hope that conservative media wrould try as hard as liberal media to avoid getting people deported while their men are trapped in a mine. Maybe that makes me a liberal, but it might just make me a compassionate conservative. Someone has to be one of them.
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IIRC, 3 of the 6 had Hispanic names, but I have heard no hint of any being illegal. But I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the mining industry uses illegals because of lower pay, dangerous work, and general indifference of what happens to them.
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(Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" playing in the background)
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mm wrote:

Thats the way it should be out of respect for the family and their privacy. It really annoys me when I see these "reporters" poking a camera into someones face when their family members fate is unknown or as a body is being pulled out of the water.
The media has no business doing that to people. If they feel the need for crap and insensitive programming let them show a jerry springer rerun or something.

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Some of the media should have had their asses kicked the way they were all over the Scott Peterson (sp?) case. Right there showing things that weren't "news" in any sense of the word. And talking about the facts of the case BEFORE the trial. I don't see how he didn't go free because nowhere in the US could they find someone who had not seen intimate details of the case on TV.
It's like showing pools of blood after car crashes. I don't want to see that stuff, particularly close to dinner time.
You said, "out of respect for the family and their privacy". Some people don't have a clue what that means, and will argue with you all day long about "freedom of the press". Well, just as freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a crowded theater, freedom of the press has some lines yet to be drawn.
Paparazzi causing collisions and fatal wrecks to get "news" photos.
Vultures, all.
Apologies to REAL vultures.
Steve
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Were I in charge at one of those things I would be mighty tempted to hand out ax handles to every family member.
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wrote:

It's either A) because the news is there to read or see, but some people only pay attention to politics or public school news, but ignore crime stories, or B) because they've changed? the standard for jurors from total ignorance of the case to not leaning to the guillt or innocense of the defendant. I'm not sure which, and it might vary from case to case and state to state.

I hate that too. Used to be, no sign of a body was shown, and if so it wsa totally covered. Around the 70's I think it was they started ignoring that.

I guess that is some reminded that the French are no better than the Americans. In fact, I don't know of a case like that, so far, in the US.

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wrote:

Yes, it's the way it should be, but it seems it never is.

I had a date once with a tv reporter from a small town station in a rural area and she told me that she would have to ask a lot of people before one would talk to her. I was happy to hear that, because I used to wonder why so many people would talk. (Or course on tv, they don't show interviews with people who don't give interviews, so the image is biased. :-) )
I also wanted to ask her if she had a problem asking the questions, but I didn't know how to phrase that nicely . Hmmmm. What I have here is actually pretty nice. What I wanted to ask is "How come you're willing to intrude in their lives in their worst moments? Don't you have any compassion for them?"
I didn't ask because it was a first date (or maybe a phone conversation before the date) and we had a second date, for lunch, and she got disgusted with me for a reason she never said. She was good looking but still single 10 years later, so maybe it wasn't me. Oooh, I'm off topic but anyhow, a lot of people won't be interviewed she says.

To add one thing to my original post. It wasn't just the last Pa. mine crisis that contrasts with this one, but a string of mine cave-ins going back my whole life afaicremember, which were all like the pennsylvania one. They may have all been east of the Mississippi, and llike a couple people said, the part of the country may be the reason, in one way or the other. Either the people are different, or the mines are older and more people live closer to the mine so they are more likely to go there, or the mine properties are smaller so that the news reporters can get closer to the mine area, or the owners just let them in because they have always done it that way or didn't think not to. I'm not even sure the places where the owner Murray makes his statements are near the mine. Maybe there is an office in town..
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