Anyone think those are a money saving devices? I just learned that
the sensors in tires should be replaced every time you buy tires and
they are over 40 bucks per tire.
The cost would seem to outweigh any savings from preventing any
improper tire wear.
It's more about safety than anything, and helped keep the SUV markets
alive when roll overs were happening with them. Next time ur on the
highway and a big arse SUV is running along side or coming at you, it
would be best if it had enough air in it's tires.
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:46:56 -0500, Fat-Dumb and Happy
This isn't all SUVs, it was certain Ford Explorers with a SUV body on
a passenger car suspension and the wrong tires spec'ed because Ford
was in bed with Firestone.
They are hitting a fly with a huge government sledge hammer.
Ford was seeking a softer ride for the Explorer, so they specified a lower
pressure than Firestone spec'ed for that tire. The problem was that by
spec'ing such a low pressure they removed the safety factor, meaning that
only a little pressure could be lost before the tire was in danger of
overheating. Then one day an Explorer in Texas during a heat wave had a
low-pressure situation, a tire blew, the vehicle rolled and somebody died.
I can't quite remember now, but I believe the deceased was beltless.
Ford tried to blame Firestone, which did their own investigation,
discovered the non-authorized pressure setting, and disclaimed
responsibility. Then the lawyers and activists got involved and we now have
mandated TPMS. Never mind that Texas-type incidents are vanishingly rare
("if it saves just one life!"; "it's for the Children!").
An expensive and troublesome government sledgehammer. I've noticed a
surprising number of people just ignoring the light. They check the
pressures and they're all apparently fine, so they give up.
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:40:23 AM UTC-4, Tegger wrote:
I had a Volvo in which one of the sensors went bad. I'd get the warning on
very hot days, temps over 90 F. The first time it went on, I pulled over an
d checked the tires; all were OK. After a few times, I just started ignorin
g it. I routinely check the tire pressure on both cars and the truck every
That's all complete horse pukey. The explorers problems were ENTIRELY
due to defective firestone tires, not low tire pressure. The tires
were literally crap from the day they were made, they were not even
balanceable, I own a 92 explorer and have since it was new. I threw
out the firestones with half the tread still on them because they were
NOT balanceable and literally would shake the truck like it was on a
log road. A new set of Michelins and the truck rode like it was on
glass. Ford also sold the same vehicle with Goodyear tires on it.
They had NONE of the alleged "low pressure" problems on the ones with
the Goodyear tires because it wasn't 'low pressure' that was the
problem, it was the crap firestone tires. I have seen so many
firestones blow out over the years that I will NEVER buy another
firestone, just not worth the risk.
It was ONE incident. I'm quite certain that there were many more other
Firestone-equipped Explorers on the road that day in Texas, and all those
other ones made it to where they were going without driving straight into
Ford /did/ specify a lower pressure than Firestone recommended but, it
appears only ONE Explorer suffered for it.
If it were up to me, I'd prohibit any government worker from having the
power to mandate anything.
One of the things brought out in the lawsuits was the warranty claim
history for the tires and aside from whether a blowout might have
caused an accident (blowouts almost never do) the warranty history
clearly showed a VERY VERY LARGE difference in tire warranty claims
between the Firestone tires and the Goodyear tires. We had load range
E Firestones on one of our work vans and TWO of the four tires blew
out within 15,000 miles. These tires were scrupulously checked,
virtually daily, for tire pressure and were never run low and were way
over rated in terms of load capacity yet 50% of them failed. Yeah,
it's anecdotal but this has been a recurring story of Firestone tires.
Same thing happened on their original 500 series radials as well as
their 721 series radials.
On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:36:26 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Incidentally, 4x4 Explorers had lower fatality RATES then some
Mercedes cars and most other SUV's. Ford didn't screw anything, they
just got caught in a massive media frenzy over nothing just like the
media frenzy of "exploding" crown vics. Another myth constructed
entirely in the media.
Over ONE incident. ONE is all it takes, these days. Never mind how many
millions of other identical actions occurred that year with no problems,
it's that ONE which counts.
Activists want the perfect world, and are quite willing to sacrifice you to
And just like the "stuck gas pedal" Toyota thing, which didn't even result
in ONE single crash or death.
But hey, that's government by activism, for you.
We see the same thing in the anti-gun hysteria. The media has people
so whipped into a frenzy it's beyond belief. I've talked to people
who will refuse to attend a meeting if guns are going to be TALKED
about and others who refuse to attend meetings if the organizers don't
institute a ban on guns. These same people are more likely to be
struck by lightening but they don't hide under their bed every time it
rains. American has turned into a nation of fools lead by fools and
it's heading down the crapper. People like to think we have some long
long history of "being right" in everything American but in terms of
world history the USA spans barely more then 2 centuries and it's not
hard to imagine there won't be much left of it by the time of its 300
year birthday. Things could change but I'm not optimistic.
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