Witnesses said Daniel – who was unarmed – was shot ‘almost immediately’
after he exited his vehicle, WCNC reports.
They also say he appeared to be trying to communicate with the trooper
using sign language.
However, Saunders has said he shot him because he was advancing and not
following commands, WCCB reports.
But Daniel's immediate family, who are also hearing impaired, think he
was 'just afraid' and not understanding the situation.
Jay Harris, who spoke to the local station through a sign language
interpreter, believes *his brother was not aware* that troopers were
trying to pull him over.
'He was unarmed - and he is a deaf individual, and I think that he was
just afraid,' he said.
'You’re pulling someone over who is deaf, they are handicapped. To me,
what happened is totally unacceptable,’ neighbor Mark Barringer told the
‘*They should have de-escalated and been trained* to realize that this
is an entirely different situation.’
More opinions and speculation. As long as we're doing that (again) how
"Daniel, who has a three-year-old son, had arrests in several states on
minor charges, including three for resisting police officers.
But those charges in 2010 in Florida and 2008 in Denver were dropped.
He pleaded guilty to interfering with or resisting police in Watertown,
Connecticut, in 2010. Details of the arrests were not available."
Maybe he had such great sucess in the past playing the "I'm deaf and
didn't know any better, have pity on me" card that he thought it would
work every time, only *this* time the cop was black and saw a scary
white guy coming at him.
I'm sure others here can come up with even better speculation than
that, but maybe it would be better to wait for facts to emerge from the
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 8:11:18 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
Good find. It fits in with what the brother said, that he didn't like
police. Of course, Muggles will still say he bears no responsibility,
that a perp can do this as much as he likes, and if finally the toxic
mess they've created leads to their demise, it's all the cop's fault.
How about this:
"Investigators say Trooper Jermaine Saunders attempted to pull over a Volvo
on 485 for speeding. However, they say the driver, Daniel Kevin Harris, di
d not stop.
The chase continued off 485, to Rocky River Road exit, eventually ending at
Seven Oaks Drive with both vehicles damaged.
"I was here in my driveway and I saw the highway patrol car come through an
d it was smoking really bad," said Mark Barringer. "About 10 seconds later,
I heard one gunshot."
Note that at least this specifically identifies who said it and the
exact quote. This is the first thing I've seen that talks about
the nature of the chase. And I think all the reasonable folks here
will agree it doesn't sound like a simple, low speed drive home.
If it's true that both cars were damaged, then you have what I said
was very possible, felony eluding and possibly more felony charges,
before the final encounter began.
I had seen the part about the cop car smoking but there could be lots
of reasons for that. I guess that it still remains to be seen exactly
what happened. I suspect you are correct though.
As for Muggles' claim about citizens having the right to resist arrest
even to the point of using deadly force against a cop, I posted the
court case synopsis (official opinion) and the cop in that case was
beating the defendant with a club without having stated the intent to
arrest him. Yes, under circumstances like that you still have the right
to defend yourself. Now she seems to think that resisting arrest is
okay and a good thing to do. This sort of "thinking" is typical of her.
I hope she read the article I posted, it could save her life someday
when she considers resisting arrest when pulled over for a minor
infraction like being on a cellphone while driving.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 9:44:28 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
It doesn't just say that the cop car was smoking, it says one
witness said that and it also says in the story that both vehicles
It looks like it's time for training starting in school about how to
properly engage with cops, what to do and what not to do, and the possible
consequences of what can happen in a toxic, volatile chaotic situation
that you create. They should make it part of driver testing and education
too. I didn't need it, but apparently some people do. And sadly in all
these police shootings, you never see a discussion about the need to act
responsibly when engaging with police either.
Speculation , nothing but wildass speculation . No basis *YET* in facts as
so far presented .
Why are you putting words in her mouth ? I just re-read her initial post
, I didn't see any bias one way or the other . She quoted the Barringer dude
, perhap you misunderstood ... but then that wouldn't fit your critical
Once again I have to call you on that statement , Muggles never said any
such thing - unless I missed a post , which I seriously doubt as it isn't
quoted in the attributes above . Just her initial post then you and the
rafters dude speculating and slamming her for things she didn't say .
Just what the fuck do you have against Muggles ? Are you buying in to the
dude (who is not a regular here) that was slamming her the other day ?
Perhaps you need remedial reading classes focusing on reading comprehension
... or perhaps cutting down on the RINO koolaid . (similar to but not quite
as virulent as the Democrap koolaid)
On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 1:47:28 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
I think the problem here is that you didn't follow the other long
thread, "Deaf Mute Father Shot Dead by Police" and what Muggles has
posted there. This new thread that she just started isn't where
it began and if you read that other thread, what I posted here will make
sense in context. Unless you believe from what little we know that
the cop is 100% wrong, 100% to blame and the perp bears no responsibility
for his actions, for creating the toxic, volatile, chaotic scene,
by not pulling over and instead leading the police on a chase. And
we also don't know what really happened at the end, after the perp got out
of the car.
There are dozens of posts you missed in that other thread. And part of
what I posted above is based on what she said about another incident, months
ago, where police in Austin wounded up arresting two people for resisting
arrest. That started with 3 people jaywalking. The cops came over to
talk to them, asked for ID and were met with obscenities. There is cell
phone video that shows two of the perps struggling with police, clearly
resisting arrest. And in that video, the third person, a girl, is still
up in the cops grills, giving them lip, as they still politely tell her
to move away, stop interfering, etc. This is another incident that would
have ended with a warning or at most a ticket for jaywalking. Muggles
claims those perps were arrested for "jaywalking" and the cops are all
wrong. Same thing in this case, look at the other thread, she has said
that the cop executed the deaf guy for speeding. She says that after so
many have said we don't even know much about what actually happened,
the news is really lacking.
Besides that she's a village idiot? Go look at that other thread,
it's not just me that can't stand her.
Are you buying in to the
Perhaps you should go read that other thread and then see what you think.
Unless you agree that the cop executed the deaf guy for speeding, of course.
And please, don't drag the Rino nonsense in here, not when you're supporting
Trump, who is the biggest Rino and fake conservative there ever was.
Yes, no one has the facts yet, just pure speculation, though some have
Are you serious? Have you followed any of this crime in the other
threads? Muggles (and a couple of others) has concluded the cop is just
wrong and nothing can convince her of waiting for facts. This has been
going on for days.
That is your opinion. Until all of the facts are known you will have only an opinion. Nothing more.
However, if I thought my life was in danger I would do everything in my power to eliminate that danger. Period.
It's ALWAYS been "my" opinion. Why "my" opinion bothers anyone, is just odd.
Many people would do exactly that and worry about what the law says
about it later. LE is trained to enforce the "laws" enacted by the
jurisdiction they serve, so, they are held to a much higher standard.
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