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I grew up in upstate and one of the treats was Hot Dog Charlie's dogs.

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Part of the atmosphere was Charlie lining up a dozen dogs on his sweaty, hairy arm to ladle on the mustard, onions, and sauce. They were 10 cents apiece and you got bragging rights if you could eat 5 bucks worth without staggering out to the alley to barf.

They were good! The meat sauce was some sort of Greek/Armenian recipe that may have involved stray cats. I've never tasted anything quite like it anywhere else. It was nothing like the standard chili dog sauce.

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rbowman
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Gloria's Pizza, Flushing, NY: Slice and a coke - 40 cents

During the 70's there was chain of Blarney Stone Pubs across Manhattan. People from all walks of life went there for great Irish lunches and maybe a beer or two. Police, firemen, construction workers, stock brokers, small business owners, lawyers, etc.

There used to be at least 30 of them, now I believe there is only 1 left. I'll bet it's not as laid back a place as the rest of them were back then.

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DerbyDad03

Neat links, thanks. As to the second article, I was expecting a basketball and a couple hoops. Ah, well. Chatting with people is good, too.

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Stormin Mormon

in downtown pittsburgh kaufmanns sold out to macys, this fall the macys store closed forever. the owner of the building is decorating the windows, possibly for the last time.

it was a big thing when i was a child. near 60 now not so important

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bob haller

Wrong demographic. You need football for that target population and not the kind with pointy ends.

Other than Gladys Knight the LDS church never did too well with US blacks. It works better in Africa when the you don't tell the potential converts that polygamy is out these days.

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rbowman

Macy's bought the failing Bon Marche here but didn't last too long. Despite several schemes the building has stood vacant for the last 5 years. It's too bad since the building is on the downtown main drag and not off in the mall.

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rbowman

Non pointy ended football? That seems kind of black and white, to me. But, that's your kick, enroute to your goal.

I'm not sure about the demographics. After working in the clerk office for ten years, I've never seen any racial record keeping at least in the ward or branch office. Maybe someone does some kind of demographic, to try and figure out percent Black, Asian, etc.

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Stormin Mormon

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RACE-ETHNICITY. Ethnic minorities are underrepresented in many LDS congregations. In the United States, where about 77 percent of the population were non-Hispanic whites in 1980, 95 percent of the LDS population were non-Hispanic whites. About 12 percent of the U.S. population and only 0.4 percent of the LDS population were black (see Blacks). Hispanics and Asians constituted about 8 percent of the U.S. population and less than 3 percent of the LDS population. American Indians (see Native Americans) had a higher percentage in the LDS Church (1.1 percent) than in the U.S. population (0.6 percent).

The spread of the Church in Asia, the South Pacific, and Africa signals an increasingly diverse ethnic membership. Straight-line growth projections discussed above suggest the possibility of a Hispanic majority by 2010. In any event, international expansion implies a decline in the dominance of white North Americans.

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The Trinity statistics do not substantially disagree with BYU's but I'd take Trinity's as a bit more accurate when it comes to growth rates and percent of the US population. Any organization tends to err on the high side when it comes to membership and growth figures.

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rbowman

I figure the people who want to be LDS can and will. Can't get at all concerned about ethnicity, and so on. I'm not affirmative action.

But, anyhow. Thanks for looking up those stats and all. I guess it is of concern to you?

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Stormin Mormon

Only in general. Religions have always fascinated me. How are they started? How do they grow? Why do people convert, particularly from one flavor of X to another.

The LDS church is an interesting example. It's new (relatively speaking) and introduced many theological novelties into a Christian framework. Other experiments from that era didn't last but Mormonism prospered. The growth patterns and demographics are well documented compared to the early history of the Christian church.

For example, an early target group were the Scandinavians.

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Why?

"Since 1852, many Scandinavian members have emigrated to the United States. Particularly in the nineteenth century, poverty, starvation, persecution, and hopelessness motivated people to seek a better life and, for Latter-day Saints, the spirit of gathering to the "Promised Land" in Utah was strong. There they could enjoy religious freedom and practice their religion without ridicule or harassment."

It must have been pretty bleak that being dropped in Iowa City, building a handcart, and hitting the road after being told 'Utah is that-a-way' looked good.

Forward to today, perhaps the Hispanics are motivated by the same problems. But why LDS? What's wrong with Catholicism, a more traditional religion? Africa? Same conditions, but where are the Methodists etc?

US African-Americans? They don't seem interested and are more likely to look toward Islam. Is that because of historical reasons?

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rbowman

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