He most certainly did have the right to inquire as to the reason a stranger
was lurking about the neighborhood. The stranger, of course, had the right
to decline an answer. Further, Zimmerman had an absolute right to follow
Martin. If Martin did not like being followed, he had the option of leaving
He did have the right as an individual. I haven't gotten a clear picture
of whether he was a member of a watch committee, if there was one
around, if he was a self-styled member of a watch committee, or if the
press decided to use that label as a kind of short hand.
always spell watch with a "y" instead of an "a'
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
From what Zimmerman's father said last night on Fox35,Trayvon was wandering
around behind some townhomes,not just walking home from 7-11.
Places he was not supposed to be.
Yes,he did,same as any other adult. However,I don't believe any questions
were ever asked. Trayvon disappeared from Zimmerman's sight(that's on the
tapes IIRC),and that is when he returned to his SUV to wait for police to
arrive,and when he was attacked.
What if he were asking or going to ask for directions??
there's a lot of questions that are NOT "confrontational".
Unless you have a big chip on your shoulder,or are doing something wrong.
Do you have a citation for that?
In the light of the Trayvon attack,it certainly seems prudent to go about
armed after dark.
Plus,I'm probably a bit more familiar with Sanford that most of you folks,I
live only 15 miles away,and have travelled through it many times. It's a
high crime area,the entire city. In some areas,people have BARS on their
windows and doors.
Zimmerman acted reasonably.
He defended himself from a vicious,unreasonable attack.
He also fired only ONE shot. That was verified by the officer that took
possession of and cleared his gun.
That shows restraint.
One more item;
Zimmerman and his wife were a mentor to a black single mom and her two
does that sound like a racist?
There IS evidence and witness testimony of Trayvon attacking Zimmerman.
also,note that Trayvon was caught at his school possessing a burglar
tool(flat bladed screwdriver,a prybar used by thieves) and 12 pieces of
womens jewelry,so it's very possible Trayvon WAS looking for homes to
burgle when Zimmerman saw him.
I wonder if that is how his gold "grill" was paid for?
Trayvon was suspended multiple times,for vandalism,drug possession,and was
found in possession of a burglar tool and the womens jewelry,he was NOT any
I see Neighborhood Watch signs all over the place,when I'm out bicycling.
do the Neighborhood Watch Org. people go out and "patrol"(walk/drive
around),or are they just people who watch from their windows?
If you're going to go outside at night in a high crime area,I'd go armed.
Thugs are MEAN these days.
By "don't want",do they specifically say "under no circumstances" or is it
"we'd rather you didn't" go armed?
Heck,several years ago,a neighbor in the building next to mine got shot in
the hallway at 4AM,I heard the shots,looked out my bedroom window to see
the shooters run to their car and blast off with no lights on.
I gave a report to the police,the guy had minor small caliber gunshot
wounds to his arm,and was OK. They had tried to rob him.
In the apartment complex next door to mine,a guy was held up at gunpoint.
Even in the "nice" neighborhoods,there are armed robberies and burglaries.
"better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
Zimmerman is still alive. His gun probably saved his life.
I guess you have to buy the 32 page book to find out for sure
National Neighborhood Watch Institute (NNWI) is the premier national
supplier of Neighborhood Watch materials. NNWI was the provider of the
Sanford Florida sign seen so prominently in recent news coverage.
Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your
responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a
crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending
criminals belongs to the police/sheriff."
Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for
They do not take the law into their own hands.
We Look Out For Each Other is our motto.
Click here to view or purchase our 32 page Participants Handbook.
Then you have this with a real training program
I Goggled a few places and none mention weapons.
there is NO evidence Zimmerman tried to make any arrest or to directly
prevent a crime in progress. He did not make or seek a confrontation.
(but Trayvon did,he went after Z.)
Zimmerman DID report to police,and tried to keep the suspect in sight until
police arrived. When he lost sight of the suspect,he went back to his SUV.
Right, but the investigation is not complete yet so we don't know that
for fact. Why did Trayvon go after him? We don't know that either.
True. But the investigation is not complete yet.
We still have to see the final results and keep an open mind until
that time. I agree that Z should not be arrested yet and should be
only if an investigation shows cause for it.
you'd think that any witnesses would have come forward by now,especially
considering the racial tensions and potential for more deaths and much
property damage. Of course,that racial tension may be keeping witnesses
AWAY,too scared to come forth with testimony that would show TRayvon to be
lurking around places he had no business being around,or that reinforced
the testimony that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.
The physical evidence is pretty much all collected,although I suspect that
if they looked around the area,under bushes,or elsewhere,they'd find some
burglar tools that Trayvon dumped before he went to attack Zimmerman. Like
a big flat-blade screwdriver...like he was caught with at school.
MANY people don't care that the NEW investigation is not complete.
They are demanding Zimmerman be arrested immediately.
It's going to be interesting when the NEW investigation closes the case as
it stands now.
After all,the presumption of innocence is Zimmerman's civil right.
Although the independent investigators may wimp out and throw it to a Grand
Jury to decide,and the Grand Jury opts for a trial so THEY don't have to
face the mob either,submitting to blackmail. That is probably the most
likely course this will take.
And THEN it becomes another OJ SImpson trial. and a huge waste of money for
I would hope they are very thorough, but there was, it seems, to have
been at least a minor delay getting things started. Evidence could
have been lost. What seemed simple enough was made difficult because
of the protests and every detail will be scrutinized. .
I have to wonder if there is a lot more already known, but not
released to forestall any bigger protests, sit ins, whatever. The
initial photo was of a nice looking little boy that was killed and
that alone was enough to get people upset.
Initial indications were self defense. Thee is no reason to arrest
at this point. An articles in the OP-Ed section of today's paper said
Z should be arrested and let the court sort it out. Well, that is not
the way our system works. You have to prove guilt, not that you are
innocent. Charges have to have some substance.
What is sad, no matter what the outcome, the other side will feel it
is wrong and justice was not served.
Maybe OJ will find some more evidence while he is out searching for
the real killer.
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