OT: Presidential address on the economy

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As you may know, next Wednesday the Republican presidential candidates were planning a debate in California. This debate has been scheduled for months.
Monday, President Obama announced he would give his long-awaited address on the economy to a Joint Session of Congress - at the exact same date and time as the Republican presidential debate. The day after, when questioned about it, the president's press secretary invited the Republicans to reschedule their debate.
Today, the Speaker of the House sent a letter to the president (paraphrasing): "Sorry, we can't accommodate you on September 7th. You are invited to move your address to another date."
Letter: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/aug/31/boehner-obama-joint-session-date-no /
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On 08/31/2011 05:04 PM, HeyBub wrote:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/aug/31/boehner-obama-joint-session-date-no /
I guess the Republicans will have to decide which to attend.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/aug/31/boehner-obama-joint-session-date-no /
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On 8/31/2011 6:21 PM, WW wrote:

Makes no diff to me- my blood pressure can't stand watching ANY politician speak any more, so I just switch to cable or fire up the DVR. Anything from the speech that matters will be on the late news or in morning paper.
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wrote:

Wasn't this supposed to be OT?
HB
dumb and blind, not surprising
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On Sep 1, 7:53am, "Stormin Mormon"

Unfriendly to business? A prime example of that is the Obama administration has told Boeing they can't open their new $1 Bil plant in South Carolina to build parts for the new 787? The reason? A union in WA state claims that Boeing built the plant there in retaliation for a strike in WA several years ago.
The impact of this is staggering. Boeing has upwards of 800 of these planes on backlog, worth $100bil plus. Screwing around with this is a classic example of how Obama, instead of creating jobs, is destroying them. What needs to be done is a presidential news conference saying, "Today I fired the heads of the NLRB. This administration will not let this type of unwarratned action stand in the way of the American economy." That little speech would do more to encourage business than the hour of socialist, political crap you'll be hearing in his address to Congress.

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snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Don't overlook the continued drilling moratorium in the Gulf. That's responsible for idling 75,000 oil field workers and those who directly support them with food, fuel, transportation, and more.
Not to take away from your Boeing example, but the South Carolina assembly plant only involves about 2,000 workers.
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The drilling moratorium was in response to the irresponsible behavior of BP and the companies involved in that disaster. Therefore the ultimate responsibility for the layoffs and the terrible other human and natural consequences was not the Obama administration (other than the relics from previous administrations in the bureau of mineral mismanagement), but the oil companies.
I'm all for reduced paperwork and less regulation*, but then the companies responsible for disasters should be liable for at least triple damages (and no prolonged court hassles, please).
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Han wrote:

First, just because there was a teensy problem with one well (the first in over 30 years, and that one was in Mexico), other projects shouldn't be condemned.
Second, the blame always lies with the person who had the last clear chance to avoid the accident. In this case, the "accident" was stopping the drilling. Further, since none of the shut-down platforms were in any way associated with BP, somebody is sanctioning the innocent over the failures of others.
Even so, the BP blowout was on a producing WELL. The feds stopped all drilling TOWARD an oil deposit. At 100' / day, it might take some drilling operations a YEAR to get to the vicinity of an oil reservoir. If the so-called government "experts" needed time to evaluate the situation, they could have simply said "keep drilling, but stop when you get to within 1,000 feet of your target."
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Not to mention it hasn't stopped other countries to continue drilling, just US companies
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Sorry. Doesn't fly with me. The problems here were multiple. The worst was that the blowout preventer didn't work as it was supposed to, despite all the supposed redundancy. Then all the attempts at cutting corners and bad cement/grouting/whatever. I'm all for responsible drilling, but if this much violation of proper practices and cutting corners becomes evident, I wouldn't want another accident. Period. Not now, not in the next 30 years, not ever. ALL the drilling needs to follow proper procedures and if one drill operation spoils it for the others, blame BP and its contractors.
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Since you brought up flying, how about that? What Obama did with the oil drilling situation is like grounding all planes, of all types, maintained and flown by all airlines, because one plane crashed.
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just give it a few more days:( terrorists will SAM one more more commercial airliners out of our sky and air travel as we know it will end...........
10 year 9 11 anniversary coming soon.
libya mess has lots of SAMs available and prices have dropped dramatically
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On 9/2/2011 7:44 AM, bob haller wrote:

I hope to hell yer wrong. I'm getting too damn old for iron-man cross-country drives to see the relatives. But I would really be surprised if they hit another airliner. Aside from looney tunes like that underwear bomber, I think they are more likely to go after something we haven't even thought about trying to protect. Lotsa soft targets in this country.
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That has happened very often, but since it is usually specifically associated with a particular defect on a particular airliner, there's no need to stop all planes. Here there was evidence of (unintentionally I hope) very bad decisiion making and materials in more or less universal use.
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Han wrote:

I hope you'll permit a modest correction. Your last sentence should read: "... if one drill operation spoils it for the others, blame the Obama administration."
You're welcome.
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Sorry, It wasn't the Obama administration that caused the spill. If you want to blame an administration, take your pick of the predecessor admins that let the bureau of mining rights (or whatever its name is/was) get so like 2 hands on 1 belly with the oil companies. (Sorry, literal translation of a Dutch - derogatory - saying).
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Han wrote:

Ah, you make a good point. The original fault was allowing some governmental agency the unfettered discretion to make political decisions that put tens of thousands of people out of work.
Still, I hold the blame lies exclusively with those who made the environmentally-correct decision to shut down all drilling for no good or defensible reason.
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But Obama administration had somewhere around 14 months to clean out the rat's nest. No indication they thought it was such a bad place until the spill.
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