OT: "Palestinians" ?

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End of article by humorist Larry Miller from The Weekly Standard:
"The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that : There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palesti ne for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Ba nk was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then.
As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketb alls, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."
So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more t o describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until so meone points out they're being taped.
Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything I n Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Etern al Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CN N. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."
====================== HB here: Correction: Israel did NOT "[win] the land in war". After the Br itish left, the UN divided the Land. Israel accepted its share; the "Pales tinians" did not, and have not to this day, despite repeated concessions by Israel. It's not complicated. They want it all; they know they can't hav e it all; they take no steps toward having their own State. Au contraire - - they do everything to NOT succeed. As the late Abba Eban said "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Their barrage of mewling about wanting their own state is a very convenien t cover for getting lots of money from UNRWWA, Europe, and other sources (i ncluding the late, thoroughly secular Saddam, who suddenly got religion whe n he needed creds in the Arab world.
UNRWWA is the special arm of the UN set up for displaced "Palestinians" wh o fled the fighting when five Arab armies invaded the new Israeli state. T hey assured their Arab brothers they could return in two weeks to claim the Jews' homes and property.
Didn't quite work out that way. No Arab country offered to take them in. M UCH too convenient to leave them on display as tokens of Israeli oppression .
HB
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The Prime Minister of Israel sits down with Arafat at the beginning of negotiations regarding the resolution of the conflict. The Prime Minister requests that he be allowed to begin with a story.
Arafat replies, "Of course."
The Prime Minister begins his story: "Years before the Israelites came to the Promised Land and settled here, Moses led them for 40 years through the desert. The Israelites began complaining that they were thirsty and, lo and behold, a miracle occurred and a stream appeared before them. They drank their fill and then decided to take advantage of the stream to do some bathing -- including Moses. When Moses came out of the water, he found that all his clothing was missing.
"Who took my clothes?" Moses asked those around him.
"It was the Palestinians," replied the Israelites--"
"Wait a minute," objected Arafat immediately, "there were no Palestinians during the time of Moses!"
"All right," replies the Prime Minister, "Now that we've got that settled, let's begin our negotiations."
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ChairMan wrote:

iirc, there were Canaanites. Whatever happened to them?
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wrote:

According to Joel, Palestine was the beach front property of Caanan.
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On 8/10/2014 2:04 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

offered to take them in. MUCH too convenient to leave them on display as tokens of Israeli oppression.

From reading Bridgitte Gabriel, I learn that the Jews are some of the most kind and gentle people in the world. After battles, if Gaza people are injured, the Jews take them to hospital and provide medical care at no charge to the injured. Even the most hate filled Muslim is treated, and then released.
I'd hardly call that oppression.
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 23:04:23 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

Palestine is spoken of in the Bible, the first time Jews invaded and said God "promised" them the land
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 07:25:45 -0400, Stormin Mormon

The oppression is the blockade.
Just because a wife beater takes his battered wife to the hospital after he beats the shit out of her does not forgive the beating.
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:57:55 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Israel has checkpoints at the borders to Gaza to try to keep Iranian missile and other arms shipments out of Gaza. Hamas has been firing missiles and conducting terrorist attacks against Israel for years. It hardly seems inappropriate to have those checkpoints. Apparently Egypt thinks so too, because they have similar checkpoints. If the Palestinians would just recognize Israel's right to exist and stop firing rockets, the checkpoints would go. And Israel has tried that approach. A decade ago, they unilaterally and without condition, withdrew from Gaza and allowed the Palestinians to govern themselves. That was a major peace overture. What did the Palestinians do in return? They imported rockets from Iran and fired them into Israel. Then they elected the terrorists, Hamas, as their govt. And who's to blame here?
Isn't it abundantly clear at this point what's really going on? Aren't there enough muslim terrorist organizations, just like Hamas, in so many countries, doing the same thing? They are muslim extremists who want to kill not only JEws, but everyone that doesn't agree with them, especially anyone who has ties to the western, civilized world. Israel has had to put up with this for decades. Now from Africa to Afghanistan we're saying other countries that are now coming under the same circumstances.
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:57:55 AM UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

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Please favor us with an account of when and how the blockade was imposed. And any suggestions as to what would happen to Israel if it were lifted.
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taking the baseball bat away from the attacker is not abhorrent behavior.
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:04:23 AM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

at: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Pales tine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient bu t is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Ga za was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then.

tballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for thei r deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation."

to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped.

l Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Ete rnal Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."

British left, the UN divided the Land. Israel accepted its share;
Correction to the correction. I believe the war he's referring to was 1967 when Israel did take the West Bank and Gaza.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

The blockade is an ineffective series of ever increasing restrictive sanctions on Gaza since 2006 that has had no effect on the arms but has eliminated any chance of a real economy. People in total domination and crushing poverty are easy to recruit as terrorists,.
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On 8/10/2014 6:51 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

I suspect that if Hamas wanted to do something like manufacture golf balls, that would be fine with Israel. But no, they teach hatred and murder. Just guessing, the blockade isn't what is damaging the economy.
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On Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:57:54 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:

That's not a guess; it's a comment based on years of close observation. As Abba Eban famously remarked: "They never miss an opportunity to miss an op portunity."
Hamas is robbing blind the people who are under their control. Hamas has l uxurious villas by the sea -- paid for by our taxes to the United Nations - - while the people make do as they can.
Don't be deceived by the lachrymore weeping and wailing about the "poor" Pa lestinians put out by their efficient propaganda machine, and unquestioning ly repeated by the pop media (importantly the Jewish-owned NY Times!!!).
Israel supplies food, water, electricity and other necessities to a terrori st-dominated enclave that EXISTS to send killers through tunnels and rocket s to civilian targets. Israel treats sick Palestinians free, including ter rorists who say openly that they will continue their efforts once discharge d.
On FOUR sides, tiny Israel has to stop infiltration of killers, as well as delivery of increasingly sophisticated missiles. The sea route is used by Iran as well as other suppliers. If blockade is removed, the kind of weap ons that would be delivered could well mean the end of Israel; not the kind of stuff that Iron Dome would stop.
The [adjective] posters who blame the blockade for Hamas' "woes" are badly misinformed/ignorant of the history. When Israel actually occupied Palesti nian areas, all indices of health went UP: Pre-and post-natal care; health of the mother; general improvement in health; more employment.
But the minute Sharon pulled out, leaving EXPENSIVE greenhouses for the Pal estinians to use and generate income from selling produce -- what happened? The greenhouses were vandalized for copper and other saleable fixtures.
There's not much you can do for people who won't help themselves. But open ing your borders to killers and deadly weapons isn't going to help the Pale stinians. Good luck to them getting rid of their terrorist Hamas masters, who having seized power, are killing their Arab brothers in Judea and Samar ia (West Bank).
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

The Ottomans lost their empire in the same railway car as the Germans, simply because they chose the wrong side. Everything else is revisionist history.
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and can you imagine what weapons Hamas would have but for the blockade. It surely is effective, though not totally.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 17:44:02 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson

A ghetto by any other name is still a ghetto.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:51:21 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

In a perfect world, Israel would redirect their military spending to providing the services required to allow an effective economy in Gaza, and Gaza's citizens would respond by being thankfull to the !sraelis and they would all be able to live in harmony. But add politics to the equasion and that becomes impossible, because the political "leaders" of the Palestinian State are hell bent on eliminating Israel, Isaelis, and Christians from the face of the earth. We live in an imperfect world where rational thought has little to do with reality.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

The Gazans are attempting to develop high value exports like flowers and herbs. The low cost of labor in the strip can make them competetive in the European and US markets. There is a minor problem -- all exports have to go through Israel and be cleared at the border. If the Israeli border guards are having a bad day, the produce rots. Maybe the Rolling Stones wanted dead flowers at their wedding but otherwise there isn't much of a market for over the hill orchids.
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It begs the question, how does restricting EXPORTS stop the import of arms? Fishermen can't fish more than 3 miles from shore either.
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