OT: Overheard at breakfast this morning

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I overheard a member of our monthly breakfast group farther down the table say, "I used to be a Republican, but the Republican Party left me behind. Republicans are fiscally responsible people who do not start wars and lower taxes."
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:19:32 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"

That person was pretty close on the first part, spot on with the second part and way out in left field with the last part.
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On 07/30/11 08:17 pm, Gordon Shumway wrote:

Perhaps you misunderstood: I think he meant "start wars and lower taxes" to be taken together. I.e., starting wars without raising taxes to pay for them is fiscally irresponsible.
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:45:08 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"

Yes, I thought you meant Republicans did not want to lower taxes. I stand corrected. That begs the question why did that group member believe that those were bad qualities?
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On 07/30/11 10:12 pm, Gordon Shumway wrote:

I don't think he saw these as bad qualities. I understood him to mean that the so-called "Republican Party" had forsaken these sound Republican principles.
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:30:00 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"

To some extent he is right. It's the career politicians that, I too believe, put their own interests above those of the nation. This of course applies to both sides of the aisle -- but certainly more to the left side.
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On 07/30/2011 10:53 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:

I think that it applies so much to both sides that saying "but the other side is worse" is counterproductive.
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Gordon Shumway wrote:

Do it for their own benefit?
Have you ever HEARD of a liberal member of Congress getting food stamps or enrolled in Medicare?
What they do is for the children of the bereft, the downtrodden, the under-class of society, the halt and the lame, the disabled and those of lesser abilities. Plus all the red-headed step-children.
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wrote:

I guess you got me there. I was wrong -- I apologize and ask for your forgiveness.
Gordon Shumway
The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
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On 7/31/2011 10:10 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:

Funny, just saw a new to me bumper sticker yesterday "Vote Democrat, it is easier than working"
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wrote:

That's a keeper.
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wrote:

A newbe
I have a bumper sticker that says "Socialism Sucks, Vote Consertive"
Both parties are so infiltrated by the Progressive movement of Wilson and Teddy and FDR (the Republicans slightly less) that we need to send them all home for good and start over. IMHO
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snipped-for-privacy@zoomtown.com wrote in news:2s2b3756gglq1na5h2cvtpfuatuq8thmqv@ 4ax.com:

Well, IMNSHO it is just fine to be progressive, if you're responsible and fiscally conservative as well. I also like to gamble a little, so I am going to buy a few thou of an SP500 index fund tomorrow ...
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I never thought I would hear anyone say they were progressive AND responsible with a straight face. As far as being progressive and conservative, well, they are diametrically opposed points of view.
Gordon Shumway
A liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.
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Gordon Shumway wrote in wrote:

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Well, Giordon, remember you heard it here ...
Oh, btw, a small question: When Bush entered into 2 wars abroad (I forget what the max number of troops was in either), and cut taxes for the higher incomes (yes mine too), was that conservative and responsible?
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wrote:

Sorry for the misspelling of your name, a regrettable typo. And yes, the war in Afghanistan was as necessaary as the war in Iraq was not. But it isn't only the waging of war that I object against, it is not planning for the expenses of it.
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No problem about the spelling. It's not my name -- it's ALF's name.
I agree that wars are definitely bad for everyone. There can be no argument to the contrary. Regrettably, wars must be fought to protect our freedom. Protecting our freedom is fundamental to our survival. There can be no argument to the contrary on that point either.
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:10:40 -0500, Gordon Shumway wrote:

Then they're not "bad for everyone"?
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On 7/31/2011 4:32 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

War should be the option of last resort, not the first tool out of the box. And 'protecting our freedom' has little to do with either of the 2 wars in discussion. Yes, the regime in power in AF needed to be knocked down, just to make a point to other countries that would host terrorists. (hey, it worked in Libya, for a few years.) But trying to build a country in that backward tribal culture? NOT critical to our survival. The second Iraq war was because they tried to kill his daddy, George the elder. Sure, Saddam was scum, and his neighbors (mostly) were happy for us to do their dirty work (despite their public righteous indignation), but exactly why was he our problem again?
I blame the Brits and the other western superpowers, who drew lines on a map without regard to the facts on the ground, in 1912 or wherever. The west tried to create countries in a part of the world where the concept of borders was pretty meaningless. Most people never saw anyone outside their village or tribe or clan, and span of control for the local El Jefe was based on how far personal loyalty to him extended. I further blame anyone that gave modern arms to people still living, at best, in the early1800s. The whole damn area should have been a DMZ from the start of 20th century on. Let them fight it out with rocks and clubs.
That whole quarter or so of the planet has been killing each other for the last, I dunno, 1500+ years. Hubris to think us enlightened westerners are going to 'save' them. Progress has to come from within.
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It never has been.

Your ill advised opinion.

Yes.
What are we talking about now? Nevertheless, more opinion. Racist, at that.

"We can survive another 9-11"

Utter bullshit.

I thought you just said it because he tried to kill Bush-41. Get your stories straight!
Because of 9-11. He was known to have WMDs, was known to use them, and after 9-11 he couldn't be allowed to become even more of a problem.

All water over the dam. Irrelevant.

Perhaps, but that's not the problem.
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