I've noticed that the violence is way down from what it was 9, 8, 7,
6, 5, 4, 3, 2 years ago. Can it tick up from time to time? Sure.
Could the country wind up in a civil war? Sure it's possible. Can
violence tick up from time to time. Sure. But is there a clear
trend that says it's going backward, out of control? No
I'd still like to see a reference for your claim that coal can be
converted into gasoline at just over $3 a gallon.
Funny thing, those "other lobbyists" would include those with
interests in coal. And there sure would be a lot of money made
building all those new plants to convert coal into gasoline. Aren't
the above folks just as greedy as everyone else? Even the electric
meter boys got a subsidy for the new smart meters. Yet, I don't see
anybody rushing to convert coal to gasoline at just over $3. So, I
doubt it's due to Congress and lobbyists. I'd say it's due to the
fact that it can't be done at anywhere near that price.
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What would you EXPECT lobbyists to buy? Bushels of turtle eggs? The world's
largest collection of squirrel heads? A company that refurbishes cigarette
No, buying a vote is a good investment.
But for every vote bought to protect the six-toed salamander there's another
vote available to drain the salamander's pond.
Vote-buying averages out. Don't worry about it.
those bought and paid for legislatures have so many IOUs its
impossible for them to do whats right. they just endlessely posture.
a great example is that texas congressman who apologized to BP the
company thats killing the gulf, led by tony haward I want my life
back, and the president of the BP board who talks of the little
bought congressman is why theres never been a move from crude to other
energy sources. the oil companies like things just the way they are
Heh! Congress does not stand in the way of other energy sources. In fact,
just the reverse! There's the amazing boondoggle involving Ethanol, massive
subsidies and tax credits for insulation, windmills, prizes for perpetual
motion machines, and so on.
In spite of these incentives, alternative energy sources remain like mice
nibbling on the margins.
Well since 1972 bcongress has been aware that were beholden to other
countries many not friendly for oil.at any time a mid east war could
kill our economy.
Now we could of moved to a methanol based liquid fuel it can be made
many ways, including from coal which we have hundreds of years supply.
Or we could of moved to CNG compressed natural gas, its very low
We could of moved to extreme fuel efficent vehicles with incentives to
buy small vehicles.......
we could of done may things but congress didnt act. cause the oil
companies liked things just the way they are, maximum
congress is bought buy lobbyists. thats why the poll numbers for
congress are in the 20s.
congress no longer works for the citizens it works for whoever donates
enough bucks to get them re elected.
You make it sound like Congress runs the economy and the energy sector
in particular. You think just maybe economics has something to do
with it? If it cost $7 a gallon for gasoline or it's equivalent,
which it would if we were squeezing it out of coal, you'd be the first
one bitching about how it was screwing the common man. If you doubled
or tripled the cost of energy over the last 3 decades, what would that
have cost the US economy in terms of jobs, growth, standard of living,
As for Congress not doing anything, they did in fact waste $1Bil of
our tax dollars back in the days of Jimmy Carter on the shale oil
project. How much oil did we get out of that one?
People like to throw out all kinds of half-baked ideas as if they were
easy, obvious solutions. A good example is the idea to grow crops to
make us energy independent. Sounds good. But, if someone came up
with a way to make soybean oil into jet fuel and we used the entire US
soybean crop for that purpose, it would supply 20% of the US jet fuel
demand. And that jet fuel in turn is only a tiny portion of the
overall demand for oil. Certainly we can be doing some incremental
things to help, but the idea that we can fix this easily, quickly, etc
On Jun 26, 9:25 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
consol coal says coal to gasoline would cost just over 3 bucks a
gallon. thats a bargain to get us out of dependency of others for
the us has spent my lifetime exporting jobs and money overseas.
one group that loves the wars are the contractors builing equiptement
and military gear. they would no doubt welcome a 3rd war somewhere for
I'd like to see a link to a credible reference that supports that
claim. If it were true, one would expect that you'd see coal to
gasoline taking place in lots of places around the world. Is anyone
With enough government encouragement, tax breaks, subsidies, and mandated
diversion of resources, there WILL be enough soy beans. Whether there's
enough rolling stock to get them to the processing plants is not in the
portfolio of the soy-bean advocates.*
* Thinly-disguised references to Atlas Shrugged.
Yes. That's great for financially saavy people who can ride through the
troughs without having to touch their investments. The people SS was meant
to protect clearly AREN'T the financially well-schooled and who would become
a burden on society without some form of enforced saving for the future.
Except that with stocks, the risk is high. Ask BP, Worldcom, Enron and
other stock holders whether they would rather have a lower rate of return or
any money left at all. I was astounded to learn that many of AIG's risk
assessors deliberately excluded the Great Depression from their risk
calculations. That's like going to Monte Carlo or Vegas and pretending that
0 and 00 aren't on the roulette wheel.
The stock market whizzes like to point to old statistics to attract the
money for what's lately become a huge Ponzi scheme unrelated to the purpose
of financing new businesses. It started when all sorts of hedge funds and
alleged guarantees against risk appeared. Naked shorting comes to mind as
the beginning of the end. The financial markets of the world are not as
infallable as Wall Streeters would like to believe. When people can profit
from bad things happening to others, the seeds of doom have been sown.
Worse, still, is that the world markets are incredibly interlinked. Trouble
in any one spot, like Greece, reverberates through the economy out of
proportion to its actual weight.
What I believe will happen is that the folks who have socked away loads of
tax deferred investments might find they were better off paying the taxes
when they got the money. When the US runs out of magic tricks to pay its
debts, it won't have much choice but to grab up all the money it can by
raising the tax rates - just as boomers start drawing on those funds to stay
alive. Something like BP's big spill can be the lead domino in a very
seriously bad chain of events for the stock market. There's a big
disconnect between what government is doing FOR the elites and doing AGAINST
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