... that have extensive experience with the oil business AND extensive
experience with government bureaucracy and agency interaction.
President Obama could easily call on them to bring their expertise into play
instead of an ex-governor, an academic physicist, and others who are
obviously out of their depth.
The men are George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.
Attack!? You must be with Joe Barton who apologized to BP for being
held accountable. . .
Amen! I can't even imagine what it must be like to see the place a
fisherman [and maybe 5-6 generations before him/her] have used as a
playland & source of their lively-hood turned into an oil pit. They
won't just lose some dividends for a year or so- they'll lose their
boat, their home, their second car & every toy they own.
I'll bet the families of the 11 guys who died are feeling a bit
I don't hold any animosity for BP. They got caught cutting corners &
from what I've seen they aim to try to make things as good as they
can---- But the whiners who are bitching because their stock dumped
& they'll miss a dividend can kiss my ass. If you can't take that
hit you should put your money in something other than stocks.
You must be an Obamaniac. Being "held accountable" <> "the subject of show
trial". BP *has been* shaken down, in classical Chicago style. Jesse
couldn't have done better.
<snip more rantings of an idiot>
News flash: If people are hired to assist in the cleanup, the pay they
receive from BP will not apply against their loss claims...kind of a
"double dip"? The claims process will probably attract thousands of
crooks..one can just imagine.
Yes, but he knows something about the oil bidness.
His daddy owns Zapata. He ran that when he and his partner, Hugh Liedke,
decided their company was getting too big. Bush took the offshore partsm
continuing the name Zapata Oil. Liedke took the rest. It had a funny name; I
think it was called Pennzoil.
Agreed (but not about the idiot part); technology is only half of the
problem. The remainder, as I tried to point out, is understanding and
dealing with the bureacracy and all the interlocking government agencies
The sheer fury of those affected by the disaster has not been
adequately covered in the (corporate) media.
Time after time, local authorities have asked permission to implement
practical suggestions which would have led to some instant local
remediation, only to get NO REPLY or delayed or equivocal response
from up the bureaucratic food chain.
Some locals are, I have read, about to take the law into their own
hands, since the "authorities" aren't dealing with the situation.
Reminds me of one of the more HORRIBLE aspects of 9/11:
Over 300 firefighters were making their way up into the buildings,but
never received the word to stand down, get out!!
Nobody had ever tested communications between the so-called disaster
preparedness bureaucrats -- and these heroes, who died for the
laziness, sloppiness, and negligence of those who should have KNOWN
how to coummunicate with them!
I can't get this utter WASTE out of my mind!
Now it's 9/11 and Katrina all over again, but this time on a global
scale as the oil makes its way up into the Gulf Stream. The eventual
impacts on food supply and climate, not to mention the short-term
misery of the workers and the destruction of habitat have yet to be
widely covered in the (corporate) media.
While no-cojones Obama goes on TV to announce that he's setting up a
commission to study the causes of the disaster.
Hasn't anybody informed him that the causes have been well known and
widely publicized since nearly two months ago!
I had to vote for him, considering the alternative, but did not expect
such a wimp. From the time he re-authorized torture
and "extraordinary rendition", I gave up. Just holding on in the hope
that he'll get more Supreme Court nominations. There, he can't do
worse than the opposition.
I actually was pleasantly surprised that GWB's SC nominees were fairly
acceptable, given his apparent complete incompetence (or was it actual
malice?) in every other regard. Blind squirrel, etc.
That said, while a self-identified conservative, I do believe that we
need some balance on the SCOTUS not to mention that anymore
"conservative" seems to come in a package with "religious right" and
"social conservative" which I'm not exactly crazy about (that's called
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
hospital corporation that bilked Medicare for billions. I'd vote for
Elliot Spitzer in a NY minute before I'd vote for this creep :o) I
still can't get over the fact that nobody has apparently gone after the
various board members of the banks that sold horrible mortgages...they
certainly had the knowledge and the duty to correct their practices.
It's been covered ad nauseum...I'm not into blaming victims, but there
are lots of people affected who had a hand in disaster. Most directly,
those with knowledge of safety violations who did nothing. The guys
from the rig who have been interviewed spoke about repercussions when
people stopped drilling over a safety issue. There are too many cheats
and liars who believe rules are always for someone else, but those who
did not halt unsafe practices are guilty on some level...they chose
their high-paying jobs over reporting those practices. I know what it
is like to lose a job for doing the RIGHT thing, and it hurts real, real
bad for a long time.
They all want BP paying the costs NOW...the locals are getting just what
they asked for AGAIN. If OSHA or other rules say hazmat suits and
training are needed for oil cleanup, then BP would be insane to allow
otherwise. CNN has been howling because they haven't been allowed to
talk to the people working on cleanup...hell, there, again...they are on
BP's payroll...they aren't being paid to chat with the media.
If people vote for the guy who saves their job, they had better know how
stinky it will be and who is connected.
This sure as hell isn't Obama's Katrina...Bush had at least 5 days of
dire warnings about Katrina and did NOTHING. There was no way Obama
could have recognized the intensity of the disaster early on...there are
THOUSANDS of rigs in the GoM and this one burned and went to the bottom.
Obama has hell to pay for stopping new drilling and would have hell to
pay if he didn't stop new drilling and someone got a hangnail.
A lot of the economic impact from this disaster has the same root as the
housing mess...folks overextend, don't have savings to get by on. I
have great sympathy for all involved, but have to be realistic.
I learned something on 9/11 when someone said the firefighters were
running into the fire when everyone else was running out. My dad was a
firefighter and never spoke about the real dangers of his work, to
protect me. He lived by the book, stood up for his men and died less
well-off than some who made politically comfortable adjustments.
I'd like to do a door-to-door survey and see how many people want "small
government"; they sure as hell want government to take responsibility
for everything that happens, including acts of God. If folks don't want
floods or oil spills, they should not live where they are 6" above sea
level on a body of water loaded with oil rigs.
staged, 5 Disaster medical units were on standby and ready to deploy.
Trucks with expendables, generators, workers were all up and staged
nearby. This was a fairly standard response and most things were done
that could be done, initially.
FEMA is, always has been, and probably always will be a support
agency only. That is their mission statement. That is what they are able
to do legally. They are there to help, not displace the locals.
The problem with Katrina was largely two fold. One is that they
followed their disaster plan to the level. At the time, the Superdome
was never supposed to be stocker or staffed as a shelter. It was a place
solely to ride out the storm and then disperse immediately to regular
shelters. Unfortunately, no emergency response planner at any level over
several generations of planners had thought about what comes next if the
other shelters aren't available.
The other (and part of this does go to Bush) is that there was a
perfect storm in that all three groups (local, state and federal) should
not have been let out of the house without adult supervision. None of
them did much the first couple of days but dither. Most of this at the
state and local level since they still have most of the power. But there
was still a synergy here.
You will note that the only agency that really was able to
function coherently in the first few days were the Coasties and that was
largely because they could come and do things on their own authority w/o
having to screw with the locals.
There was no way Obama
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Rubbish....three search and rescue teams? Bush's federal agency warned
clearly and loudly and persistently that this would be a Cat 5. Bush's
federal agency knew the levees could not take a Cat 5. Did he expect
the mayor to evacuate the city and reinforce the levess before the storm
Yeah, he did expect the mayor and the state to evacuate the city.
Wasn't his responsibility, never was, probably never will be. FEMA is
not and never has been tasked with doing anything other than responding
and helping the LOCALS. FEMA doesn't run things, they help with
organization and getting federal resources to the area after the fact.
Longer term they help states and localities replace local
infrastructure, get loans and grants to individual, etc.
Emergency planning and response is a local responsibility. Every
disaster plan I am familiar over the last 30 years always has as its
baseline that the locals will have to deal with everything for at least
three days before help will arrive. If it gets there earlier, that is a
That is then translated further down in the suggestions to the
public that THEY have 3 days of water, supplies, medicines, etc.,
available to them.
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
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