to the house a few years ago and he was angry because Sandy liked me
better. WT would yell at her for doing things that were dog-like and he
talked like he was growling all the time so the critter would run hide
behind me or jump in my lap. After WT died, I tried to find a good home
for Sandy but one day I was very ill and I awakened to find that Sandy
had burrowed under the covers and curled up leaning on me to keep me
warm so after that I couldn't get rid of the little bitch. Sandy is a
Red Deer Head Chihuahua who thinks she's a Rottweiler thus I refer to
her as a Rotthuahua who weighs 11 pounds. Back in the 1970's I raised a
Weimaraner from a pup and by the time he was a year old, he could stand
on his hind legs and place his front paws on my shoulders. That goofy
dog retrieved bricks. So the question I have for everyone would be, "Is
it a real dog, if you can pick up full grown example with one hand?" o_O
Probably the best investment you can make to help protect against power
outages is a pair of long underwear and a long sleeve turtle neck
t-shirt; both made out of a soft comfortable material like cotton.
Feb 13, 2014
Western NY. Went to a couple service calls,
got home about 5 PM. When I left the house at
7:30 to go to scripture study, the roads were
hard pack snow, and traction was poor. One car
in the ditch, I saw.
Return home, the hard pack snow is worse, and
traction is worse. Nearly tail spun twice, and
I was going slow and gentle. Ought have stayed
One friend in SC was without power.
============================ICE STORM! No power, water or heat for 32 hours. Power
just came back on, We survived well with guests with
portable propane space heaters, generator for occasional
water (connected to well), bucket toilet, and propane
cookstove (20lb grill bottles). Had food, bottled
water, and came through with flying colors.
Or those who end in the ditch because of someone else's idiot move.
Yesterday morning I was in the right lane of a three lane exit ramp. All
three lanes are used to make a left turn onto the three lane overpass of
the highway. I make the same left hand turn from the same right lane 5 days
a week. Yesterday, as I was making the turn I was surprised to find that I
was so close to the car on my left, the car that I assumed was in the
center lane. In reality, it was some idiot that decided to turn the 3 lane
road into a 4 lane road. I had to move right to avoid contact and went into
the slush along the curb of the overpass.
I kept the control of my vehicle and I may even have contacted the curb.
Had it been another situation, like if I had driven into the slush on the
shoulder of a highway at a higher speed I might well have gone into a ditch
while trying to avoid an accident.
When I see someone in a ditch I don't automatically assume that they or
their car couldn't handle the conditions. I've seen enough idiot moves by
drivers who either didn't know or didn't care about the chaos they left in
We just finished five days without electric.
I was *really* glad I had one of these: http://tinyurl.com/mhoccd8
and one of these: http://tinyurl.com/a6e9fgn
The transfer switch came after a couple of years' running extension
cords through windows. Money well spent IMHO.
After 5 days of getting up at 0200 to re-fuel, the next thing will be
one of these: http://tinyurl.com/o2djjla
used it to run? The largest generator I installed for a home was a 40kw
Kohler and it would run everything in the house. I got my late friend GB
to build a doghouse that matched the home as a cover for the big genset. ^_^
I'm not (Pete) but my finding is that a 1200 watt
ETQ brand gas mixer generator did run furnace for
a friend of mine. Big belt drive blower, too.
I've not tried refrigerators, though. They take
more start up current.
The doghouse sounds like a good idea for cover. Might
muffle the sound, also.
When the power goes off, I look up and down the street.
Try not to appear better off than my neighbors. I
usually go with a couple candles and oil lamps, which
also put out heat. Propane two mantle lamp is excellent
for both heat and light.
Somebody else observed that there are two extremes in home generators:
"Cruise Ship" and "Lifeboat".
We went "Lifeboat".
Our house cruises on 800-1200 watts depending on how hard the natural
gas furnace's blower is working.
That gets us:
- All the hot air heat we want.
- Couple of PC's, a NAS box, and various LAN stuff
- Lights in almost every room of the house.
It does *not* get us:
- Coffee maker
- Electric stove
- Washer & Dryer.
I have a little screw-on stove burner that works with a 16-oz propane
bottle and it is extremely effective. Just ordered 2 more, in fact.
That's good for coffee, and whatever else can be made on a stove burner.
We have a mini-propane grill (about 10" x 18") that also works on a
16-oz bottle. That gets us toast, store-bought pizza, and so-forth.
I have been obsessing about a second 2KW generator (these things are
made to run in parallel) to run intermittently around meal times to pick
up the slack for microwave, coffee maker, toaster....
But we're older than dirt and the wife has become adamant about getting
a natural gas powered auto-transfer setup against the day that one or
both of us are too sick or too feeble to manage the two "manual"
That would be full "Cruise Ship" except, maybe, for the central AC.
I have not priced it yet, but am bracing myself for sticker shock.
OTOH, I don't want our survivors to have *too* much fun..... -)
But the bottom line for me is that 2KW works if you don't want the sun,
the moon, and the stars.... or central air...
It's also good on fuel: about six hours per gallon. My little hoard of
gasoline in the garden shed got us through 5 days with plenty to spare.
OTOH, my neighbor was driving heaven-only-knows-how-far and standing in
lines to feed his Home Depot monster.
generators in grocery stores and homes, I've even converted some
contractor type gensets to natural gas and installed a manual transfer
switch. My favorite genset is the old Onan air cooled four cylinder 15kw
natural gas fueled gensets because they're very reliable. Every single
one of them I've installed was a used genset from a retail store and
restaurant salvage company. I've made repairs to the engines and
transfer switches when I installed them but all they needed was an
annual oil change and rarely needed spark plugs that tended to last a
very long time especially if I put platinum plugs in them. I'd like to
have one for the house because it would run everything. The largest
genset I installed in a home was a used Kohler 40kw. I've installed a
lot of new Generac 8kw to 20kw gensets in homes and I setup many of them
with an alarm system circuit board inside the transfer switch that would
dial in to an alarm system monitoring company to report whether or not
it had exercised on schedule or had a fault condition. ^_^
What is your take on installing a generator rated at 4kw for running on
gasoline - but powered by natural gas? I'm thinking that some of the
RV-oriented generators, although designed for propane, might be a
good fit because they are designed with low noise in mind.
I came away from power.cummins.com thinking that a 4kw gasoline
generator was good for 3.6 on Propane.
But then I read http://www.propane101.com/propanevsnaturalgas.htm and it
sounded like natural gas is a *lot* less energy-intensive than propane.
Any idea what the conversion factor is for estimating a gasoline
generator's max output when it is run on natural gas?
Where I'm going is:
- My Better Half has become adamant about installing something that
will do the job even if we are both too sick and/or feeble to
go out and attend to it (as in startup, refueling...)
- Even though we don't pay highway tax on natural gas, it's still
far from free. Otherwise, I'd just go for something like your
15kw Kohler. But my experience is that fuel consumption rises
very sharply as the generator's peak power is increased.
- We already have a smart transfer switch (APC's UTS-6H) that is rated
for 4kw and accepts only 120v power.
- A 2kw generator is pretty much doing it for us now, although another
KW would add a certain convenience factor in terms of load shedding
and/or going outside to run a gas appliance when heating up food
making toast, making coffee, and so-forth.
- I am picking 4kw blindly - without any idea of how much power I will
get out of a 4kw gasoline-rated generator.
Maybe it will turn out that I will need 5kw...
But 6.5 seems like a stretch, as does 3, once the
device is running on natural gas instead of gasoline.
Less energy intensive just means it needs more fuel.
(don't try to run it on gasoline) , 100% plus.
I've got a 9kw unit, converting to NG and figuring on 6500 in the
"real world". It's standing by on Gasoline for the winter - will be
converting in spring - this is a 240 volt unit and will be connected
with an interlock
But doesn't that conflict with the "Properly converted AT LEAT 80%" ?
Assuming I'm just missing something, what would your guesstimate be on
the "gasoline size" generator needed to put out 4kw running natural gas?
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