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Some people say that Obamacare has helped a lot of people get health insurance, and other people say it's all a sham. I don't know what to think about it.
I spent many hours with a family member in an ER waiting room Monday night and all I saw was a it filled with people waiting for hours and hours to get medical attention. The staff told us it was people who couldn't afford to go to the Dr's office OR Obamacare, so they'd wait until their health issues were desperate and critical and go to the ER. We even saw people there who didn't look desperately ill, but looked more like they showed up to get a check-up.
Something is so very wrong with Obamacare.
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Muggles wrote:

Well, let's see...
1. Pass a law forcing people to buy insurance whether ot not they need/want it. Fine them if they don't.
2. If they can't afford to buy it, subsidize it.
3. Pay at least partially for the subsidy by taking it from social secutity, an entitlement for which the recipients paid.
Is there anything good there?
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On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 9:40:14 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:

I'd say having a requirement that you have health insurance is the only part that's good. I know most conservatives think otherwise, but that's because they only are thinking about it as an emotional, knee-jerk reaction rather than logically. Logically, it's consistent with conservative values.
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On 04/07/2016 10:53 AM, trader_4 wrote:
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And actually making it possible to get health insurance (considering pre-existing conditions).
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The Democrats promote big government.
The Republicans promote big business.
Things they agree on end up giving us new laws such as new cars are REQUIRED to have buck up cameras.
Nobody is looking out for us.
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On 4/8/2016 3:26 PM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

I happen to agree with that one. I'd not buy a car without it now. Have you used one?
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I like the rear view cameras too, but the government has no business making them mandatory. Same as thou shall not buy and 100 watt incandescent bulbs or you can't have any soft drink in NYC bigger than xx ounces (that didn't last long) or you can keep your doctor... and many other examples where the government has no business sticking there nose in our lives.
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Are you telling us that obama and the Democrats were incapable of creating the healthcare utopia they claimed they did?
Do you realize what party controlled the House of Representatives, the Senate and the White House when obamacare was shoved down our throats? It was the party you blindly vote for.
They got exactly what they wanted; a bloated, expensive, government controlled failure that is proven by what Muggles and thousands of others witness every day in emergency rooms across our country.
Get your head out of your ass.
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Gordon Shumway posted for all of us...

You have to pass it to know what's in it.
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On 04/07/2016 02:50 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

Like a stool sample?
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rbowman posted for all of us...

I thought of a kidney stone, more painful. Your post is probably what Pelos i was thinking of because she's fullo'shit.
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You know damn well that bob, or any other lefty for that matter, won't honestly answer any question that contradicts what they are told to believe. Many of them are incapable of free thought. bob is a prime example of that.

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Muggles posted for all of us...

Do you mean they aren't being triaged and treated according to the care needed?
How did you gather your facts? I don't like Obamascare because I pay for other care through my insurance, through my taxes and through support by donations.
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Oren wrote:

I served my country and am glad to have the VA health care option . For some reason , we here in Arkansas don't seem to have the problems with the VA that other (liberal-controlled) parts of the country have .
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Terry Coombs posted for all of us...

Along with others here-thank you for your service.
Because like every other organization; gov't or private, it depends on LEADERSHIP. You area has a good leader, they probably know how to work around problems from above. Think of your service time, you could tell the jackholes from the good ones-same thing. I tend to agree that the libs tend to have the bunker mentality of hiding or passing the blame.
Don't get me started on the VA response to incompetence...
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On 4/7/2016 3:46 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

I'm really not sure because we were there for 3 hours waiting, but it seemed other people had been waiting longer than us and still hadn't been seen, yet. Maybe their illness wasn't as high up on the triage list as ours?

I didn't think much about until the medical staff talked about the load of patients in the ER. They mentioned to us the thing about Obamacare and how people couldn't afford to pay for it, so they'd wait until they had no other choice but to go to the ER vs. using Obamacare to have regular Dr.'s visits.
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Muggles posted for all of us...

So the promises of Obamascare are lies? No universal, cheaper coverage?
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On 4/8/2016 2:56 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

It's looking that way.
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Oren posted for all of us...

About $2800
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On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 11:26:31 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:

The Affordable Healthcare Act(aka "Obamacare") was drafted mostly before Obama's first administration. Obama's involvement with it was largely symbolic. I.E. putting his signature on it, making it law.
It's primary beneficiary is the LARGEST PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY on God's Earth: that of the United States. Repeat: NO NATION ON EARTH possesses a private health insurance industry as large, in terms of dollars and the number of insurers, as that in America.
Replace it with a tax-based single-payer system (a la England, France, Canada, etc.), and MILLIONS of people with be without jobs. In other words, the private health insurance business would collapse. To complete the circle, THIS is the reason for the Affordable Care Act in the first place: to both insure as many people in America as possible, and to keep the private health insurers in business.
It "forces" you to buy insurance from those corporations, with the condition that they can not deny coverage as readily or as often as in the days when health insurance was optional(if you could afford it you bought it). If you don't buy health insurance under the present system, there is an escalating penalty(tax!) levied against you.
Hopefully the U.S. will wake up one day and go single-payer, like a lot of the rest of the Western world already has.
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