Well said. I wish basic economics would be required in high
school. Then people might understand how markets work.
Thanks, I was worried somebody would give me a bad time about it.
Back to woodworking posts for me.
It would appear that in this instance, home buyers
1) Had no clue that bad drywall could exist
2) Had no means to check what the builders installed
3) Were deceived by home builders, who likely knew everything but
chose not to inform buyers.
You honestly believe an established - notice I didn't say honest -
builder would install something he _knew_ would come back to bite him
in the but and result in lawsuits? I think that is just as likely to
happen as your lawyer taking your money and doing nothing, or any
other trade/profession screwing someone over when they knew they were
going to get caught. Such things are in the 1 to 2 percent range at
Every builder's contract has a clause about conditions outside of
their control and limiting their responsibility. The Ignorant one said
the builders "knew everything" about the problem, and still installed
it. There are essentially no cases, no mention, of defective drywall
before the current Chinese created problem. How would these builders
know that there would be a problem? No one had ever encountered it
Keep in mind that new drywall always has a slight odor, and there are
a lot of other odors on a construction site. It isn't as obvious until
it is installed in a fairly airtight home, when the fumes build up. The
joint compound, new lumber, paint, caulking and other odors could mask a
lot of odors, and there is a good chance that all the doors and windows
are open while the drywall is hung, finished and painted. Most crews do
an average house in a day or two. I helped some friends rebuild their
home after a major fire. Three of us did the drywall entire house in two
days. The bulk drywall is out in the open on a flatbed truck, where the
fumes can't build up.
The movie \'Deliverance\' isn\'t a documentary!
Yeah, it's amazing how people jump to conclusions. I would think it
likely that the builders or yard carrying the product didn't know
anything about safety issues any more than the home buyer. Was every
toy store that sold the Chinese toys aware that they contained lead?
We now live in Las Vegas, where during the 2001-2007 time frame,
hundreds of thousands of new homes were built during a real estate
feeding frenzy. While we lucked out on the drywall issue here
(several gyp mines locally and all local drywall), there were
other alleged construction defects that were or are being
litigated or negotiated. As far as I know, no contractor or
subcontractor knowingly installed anything that would have harmed
a home or the occupants. However, the litigators really had a
feeding frenzy with construction defect suits.
One of the fights here involved the elimination of weep screeds at
the bottom of stucco siding. Another involved Kitec plumbing
fittings and flexible piping, while another involved a different
reinforcement in slabs. There are also issues even with copper
pipe that comes in contact with soil under a slab. In NC, we had
the issue of disintegration of man made lap siding and
delamination of man made stucco over foam.
My reason for mentioning this is to illustrate my belief that
virtually any change from the old, tried and true methods or
materials of construction carries risk of varying degree. Homes
are built to last for generations and Murphy's Law applies to new
materials, construction techniques, different suppliers and man
made anything installed in a home. Even the most benign change
from what's been done for years and years with success can result
in a construction defect.
The insurance companies were dinged badly with the black mold
issue of the 90's. Whenever somebody discovered mold, even after
a window leaked for years, it was considered to be an insurable
event. Now, the folk with drywall problems are feeling the
spin-off effect. Insurance companies might exclude drywall
related issues in policies, but some judge somewhere at some time
will decide for the "social good" to make them responsible. Their
only hope to escape this is to cancel or refuse to renew policies
once they become aware of the drywall problem. I sure can't blame
them, since it's a huge liability otherwise.
In Las Vegas, Sun City Summerlin found defects in homes, built pre
1995. Homes with PEX pipes and some brass connectors (Zurn ??!). The
connectors were made in Canada. They contained to much Zinc during
the manufacturing and corroded years later, leaked behind stucco,
caused mold, on and on.
The judge declared a class action case. IIRC, they went after the
Canadian company and the builder.
It might still be pending - dunno.
Isn't that just typically NOT, Government for the people by the
No matter how loud people yell 'Socialism' or some other label that
they don't really understand anyway, honest, uncorrupted, caring
governance is a political business that supposedly allows us to live
together in hopefully civilized societies.
The lack of that is painfully obvious in places such as Mexico
(Criminal gangs etc.) many places in Africa and elsewhere where war-
lords control local society etc.
Weak, incomplete, corrupt government allows a 'cowboy/gangster'
element consisting of paid lobbyists, industrial interests, organised
crime, to control government while ineffectively regulated financial
institutions and banking rip off the consumer (i.e. the people). And
ultimately we pay for all those mistakes by higher taxes and erosion
of our basic basic freedoms.
Blah, blah ..... and the pursuit of happiness etc.
Wake up; make government effective. One of the great weaknesses of so
called 'Capitalism' is that it can reward the few, far too
magnificently, while denying reasonable basic human needs to many.
Denying insurance coverage for something a citizen had no control over
is inhuman. But in between gross negligence such as driving while
impaired and causing death and inadvertent responsibility for
something minor, there will be in-between situations. Finding out
one's home has incorporated wall board now found to be smelly or even
health hazardous seems to hardly be the responsibility of the person
who now owns the home. Where were the import agencies, the building
standards, the inspection agencies, the mortgage or loan people who
authorized payments, the municipal authorities who issued an occupancy
permit, the insurance company who accepted the premium thereby ruling
the house was an 'Acceptable risk'?. Were they all incompetent and
unregulated? Hmm! Some better governemnt needed, eh?
No matter how much somebody yells 'Individual freedom'.
OK. If I was building a shack out in the boondocks, out of scrap, with
no running water and no electrcity and no services I would not expect
an insurance company to cover me and/or any inspector to check up on
my 'shed' next time I straightened a few used nails etc. But if
someone prudently builds or buys in a well regulated town or city
there should be effective governance and follow up on everything we
do. Then action for correcting a problem placed on those responsible.
Commercial corps. often do this in their own interest. A recent
example; my neighbour had deteriorating siding made from some sort of
cement product. He was required to complain through the supplier to
the manufacturer who visited and determined improper storage prior to
installation. My neighbour has or will receive compensation not only
for the material but also for the cost of labour/time (his own). Good
corporation that; stands behind it's product even though the errror
was by the local supplier representing that corporation.
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