I keep hearing that our immigration laws are broken, but I can't find anyone
to tell me what exactly is broken.
Outside of our borders being porous, what exactly is broken? We have a set
amount of people that can immmigrate each year, besides speeding up the
process what is broken?
The only problem that I see is the anchor babies that create the broken
family and the failure to enforce our existing laws.
Am I missing something? My parents immigrated from Canada with the help of
my sister and took less than a year, where's the problem.
Other countries have much harsher immigration laws and I don't hear anyone
saying that theirs are broken. Mexico has much harsher laws than us, but no
one is saying its broken. Go to Mexico illegally and your ass willl be in
jail for a long time as it would be in many countries. What is BROKEN?
Can you say ENFORCEMENT??? I have nothing against those who would like
to live in this country, but I do for those who feel they do not need to
obey the law. Like you said, try to do what they did in another
country, and you will land in a cell.
Allowing people to enter the country illegally and stay is like having
someone break into your home and expect you to set up a bedroom for them.
The laws are fine, it is just as others say, there in no enforcement of the
laws. It is not only Obama, but many before him. Not sure about what Obama
has done, but if we can give them Social security numbers and get them on
the tax books where we get tax out of their checks I am all for it.
I would really like to see all the illegals deported , but as that does not
seem to be hapning, make them citizens and get the tax out of them like
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On 11/22/2014 03:41 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Problem certainly did not start with Obama.
I like the suggestion however, of making them citizens and paying tax
like everyone else.
I am not saying I am in favor of breaking the laws...just saying
though...the Mexicans are coming here to make a better life for
themselves ...NOT to blow things up like /some/ people I've heard
of...so I can't say I can blame them much.
I'm not pleased with elected reps who make
a point to give tax payer dollars to folks.
Even to the point of recruiting, advertising,
and so on to get more welfare leeches signed
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:09:04 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
How about George Soros or some other kook lib starts 747 service from
Haiti, India, Sudan.... Bring them all here, they just want a better life.
If people can walk across the southern border from Mexico, Guatemala,
Honduras, why not just let everyone and anyone in? And BTW, I don't think
the idea of some lib organization doing that is far fetched either. We're
about one step away.
Are you talking about me? I don't know what they're saying behind my
back, but I have to blow things to avoid riding on flat tires. :)
Those who fund American politicians are ambivalent about immigration.
The economy needs the work ethic of uneducated immigrants because
Americans won't do some jobs well regardless of wages. If employers
can't get immigrants legally, they'll hire them illegally.
The first step is to abolish college. Ben Franklin said it's
unAmerican. He said the average freshman is a blockhead, and the
average graduate is a blockhead who has learned to close a door elegantly.
The second step is to abolish compulsory education, recognizing the
inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Kids
are forced to sit on their ass 12 years, and all that counts is figuring
out what to say to please the authorities, whether or not the kid agrees
or understands. Who can expect graduates to have a work ethic?
The real problem as I see it is that this is about the 4th or 5th time
that a US President has declared a general amnisty to illegal aliens.
Lots of LAW ABIDING immigrants wait their turn to come to the USA only
to be told that the US is declaring a general amnisty for illegal
immigrants, and therefore they won't be accepting any more legal
immigrants this year or next.
You can see how that encourages law abiding legal immigrants to go the
illegal route. They just get across the border on a visitor's permit
(or whatever it's called) and then don't go back. Or, they wait until
they're across the border to start a family. Each kid born in the USA
is an American citizen and an anchor that will keep them in the USA.
What the USA needs to do is send illegals back where they came from and
only allow LEGAL immigration to the USA. As it stands now, you guys are
sending entirely the wrong message by declaring a general amnisty every
couple of years to everyone that's in your country illegally. It
rewards those that get into your country illegally and infuriates those
who are playing by the rules and waiting their turn.
At least a few people in the USA share this view.
Sadly, none of us who share this view hold elected
office, and can do much about the situation.
A few groups have formed such as Ranch Rescue and
Border Rescue. They have tried to assist the legal
border agents. With varying level of success.
With the present lack of enforcement, I'm surprised
there isn't more 3 S behavior. But then, the third
S prevents news from getting out.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:17:10 PM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
Who were the other 3 or 4 presidents who declared general amnesties
for illegal aliens?
AFAIK, that isn't happening. I haven't heard anyone saying that the
number of legal immigrants is being affected one way or the other.
Yes, another amnesty just encourages more of that. Just like when Emperor
Obama decreed when he was running for his second term that he was no longer
going to deport certain children. We now have train loads, 120K in less than
a year, of new kids flooding across the borders from Central America. Expect similar to come from this latest fiasco. I can see the trafficers passing out
flyers right now. For $3K I can take you to America and if you have a kid or
get pregnant there, they will no longer deport you. Obama said so.
We haven't been doing it every few years. The last amnesty was back in the
80s and that wasn't declared by a president, which is illegal. It was
passed by Congress and signed into law by Reagan, ie the constitutional
process was followed. And part of that was that it was a one time thing,
the border security was to be increased to effectively stop illegals from entering. That of course, never happened.
US immigration law written about 1895 allowed immigration through
certain areas. Those allowed in could not be ill, mentally retarded,
someone convicted of a crime or incapable of work. Immigration agents
would actually go on the ships and not even let those rejected
disembark. The shipping company was responsible for taking them back.
Book I was reading about this was written at the time in England and
author admired US system and did not like other European nations
dropping their trash on them and giving them low paid workers that took
citizens jobs. Today the UK is pissed off that EC people from poorer
areas are coming in to get a better "dole".
this is actually what I favor. an immediate roundup of all illegals,
even to the point of paying a bounty for their capture, and then just
dump them back over the border. I mean the Mexican Government wouldn't
interfere and think of all the new jobs in farm, hotels, nanny,
construction, landscaping, etc, not to mention the sudden availability
of millions of housing units. although the landlords won't be happy
about it, but they could sell all the belongings and cars left behind.
On Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:12:40 AM UTC-5, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
Malcolm, I see you're back. You've been missing since the election.
Must be still licking those wounds, eh? What a total debacle for you libs.
The fortune tellers in the media were predicting that the Repbulicans
had about a 70% chance of taking the 6 seats they needed for control of the
Senate. We got 8 so far and we're about to get #9. Cleaned up on the sta
level too, legislators, governors, including Scott Walker, who won handily,
despite you libs doing everything possible to try to defeat him.
And with Obama's latest stunt, he's screwed himself and the country for
his last two years. He's now so poisoned the environment with the new
Congress that nothing
much will get done. Except some obvious things, like the Keystone pipeline
that's going to get rammed down his throat in January. He'll finally have
to actually make a decision. Any bets? And if he vetoes it, there's a
very good chance Congress will have the votes to override it, handing
him another major defeat. They just had 59 votes in favor of it
in the Senate, before Republicans take control. Even many Democrats are
looking at the carnage that Obama has brought them and have had enough.
But we still have two more years of this, my oh my.
the real interesting aspect of this is that when the SouthWest became a
part of the United States, any Mexicans living there automatically
became citizens as did their offspring, and their offspring, and their
offspring, etc. Imagine that those Mexicans in the SouthWest decided for
whatever reason to emigrate back to what was left of Mexico but never
gave up their citizenship, imagine that some of their offspring several
generations removed didn't actually know that or that they did and they
aren't illegal at all and when they come back they show documentation
that their great-great-great grandpappy and grandmammy lived on a ranch
in Texas at the time
The main thing that is broken - other than non-enforcement - is the anchor
Why in the world should the child of an alien be given American
citizenship just because its mother happened to be in the country at the
time? Far better to award citizenship only to those whose mothers have
American citizenship, either by birth or naturalization. Note that papa's
citizenship doesn't count.
All we need is to change the law. What, change long standing precedent?
Sure, why not...for most of the time the US has existed, only caucasions
could become naturalized Americans and they changed that.
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