On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:48:35 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
For our lib from NJ, who thinks NJ is just peachy keen with regard
to taxes, I have a 3100 sf house with a market value of about $550K and I'
m paying $11,000/yr. And just for comparison, we have a 7% sales tax,
an income tax that most people are paying 3%+, to a max of 8%, taxes
on the transfer of real estate (separate from any capital gains, which
you also pay tax in NJ on), a special 1% tax on the full amount of
any house sale over $1 mil, etc.
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:19:36 AM UTC-7, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
One thing is 1000% predictable, and I've seen this over & over: Anyone who
uses the term "lib" is not worth dialoging with (excuse ending sentence w
ith preposition-- but if it was good enough for Churchill...!)
On Friday, August 16, 2013 4:45:34 PM UTC-4, net cop wrote:
Look at your property tax bill. Look at your income tax bill.
Look at your 7% sales tax bill. Look at the new taxes levied
on real estate sales. It's people like you that the politicians
love. They take your money, piss it away, put the state $50bil
in debt, and as long as you have a nice house and some dumb
magazine says your town is great, you're too dumb to know that
you're getting screwed.
Ah, you replied to an idiot.
He went in my KF a long time ago.
Anyway, I'm living in the 6th best community in the USA.
Money magazine says so.
(Yep Berkeley Heights just moved up the list and we're all bragging
On Friday, August 16, 2013 4:50:53 PM UTC-4, net cop wrote:
This guy says California's problems have been mostly
dealt with, and you say someone else is the idiot?
Good grief. CA is going broke thanks to all the lib
loons that have turned it into the classic socialist
Who the hell cares what some half-assed magazine, that
bases their ratings on whatever they feel like says?
Did they factor in that NJ has one of the highest income
tax rates? The highest property taxes? High auto insurance
rates? A 7% sales tax? Businesses that either have left the
state or not expanding and already have one foot out the door?
That we're sending our hard earned money to places like Camden,
and Newark, so they get
more per student than places like your cherished Berkley
Heights and the kids 20 years and billions later are
still dumb as ever? Good grief! It doesn't take much
to fool some people.
On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:21:45 AM UTC-4, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
Classic lib denial.
"First Vallejo, then Stockton, then Mammoth Lakes, and now San Bernardino a
nd soon possibly Compton. As Orange County Supervisor John Moorlach told Bl
oomberg News, the bankruptcy dominoes are starting to fall. One California
city after another—following a decade-long spree of ramping up public-emp
loyee pay and pension benefits, as well as redevelopment debt—are becomin
California slipping toward bankruptcy, again
California is going broke. Again. The state controller has estimated that t
he state will run out of money sometime this month. California will need to
find $3 billion in cuts or revenues to keep the state in the black through
the rest of this fiscal year.
And next year looks even worse. California's Legislative Analyst Office pr
ojects that, even with billions in one-time revenues from Facebook's impend
ing IPO, Gov. Jerry Brown's budget will run a $6.5 billion deficit.
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- One of the nation's top credit rating agencies said F
riday that it expects more municipal bankruptcies and defaults in Californi
a, the nation's largest issuer of municipal bonds.
Moody's Investors Service said in a report that the growing fiscal distress
in many California cities was putting bondholders at risk.
The service announced that it will undertake a wide-ranging review of munic
ipal finances in the nation's most populous state because of what it sees a
s a growing threat of insolvency.
The report has both investors and government leaders worried.
but cities aren't the state, does that fact elude you. I don't see you
celebrating Michigan going bankrupt or Alabama, Pennsylvania, Rhode
Island or Idaho
List of Bankruptcy Filings Since January 2010
All Municipal Bankruptcy Filings: 36
General-Purpose Local Government Bankruptcy Filings (8): -- City of
Detroit -- City of San Bernardino, Calif. -- Town of Mammoth Lakes,
Calf. (Dismissed) -- City of Stockton, Calif. -- Jefferson County, Ala.
-- City of Harrisburg, Pa. (Dismissed) -- City of Central Falls, R.I.
-- Boise County, Idaho (Dismissed)
I have a mortgage which is an unfunded obligation yet I am not in
danger of going bankrupt, neither are the millions of people who have
credit cards, new cars or even education loans
that's still almost 9 months old...seems to me if California is in such
danger of going bankrupt there would be something much more recent
you said the State, not cities. California as a state is not
responsible for the debts the cities incur or their lack of responsible
BOTH the cities and state are drowning in
because you limbaughnistas refuse to deal with current events. The
state has unfunded liabilities but is nowhere close to filing for
bankruptcy. But I guess all those wonderful republican technical
systems the state tried to use, the bridge that was built with
defective bolts, etc are all the fault of liberals
ah, the old class warfare gambit, because I really give a shit about
how much money you make, what limbaugnistas you support or that you
would prefer all the children to grow up with substandard educations,
housing and medical care
Having children is an option. If people decide to exercise that option all
the things you mention save education are the obligation of the parents, not
the state (everyone else).
Even education is partially the responsibility of the parents; they are
obligated to see that their offspring actually attend school; to see that
they do their homework; to answer questions and explain; to encourage and
praise; to discipline.
IOW, they are obligated to do more than just inseminate and give birth; they
are obligated to be PARENTS.
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 3:54:44 PM UTC-4, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
Because those states are not in the dire financial straights that
California is. Do you see major business magazines, newspapers,
financial rating institutions all saying that Idaho is piled
asshole deep to a 10 ft elephant in unfunded liabilities that
they probably can't ever pay?
Good grief, you're dumb. You look at half of the equation. If you have a m
ortgage for $2mil on a house that's worth $1mil, you have $100K in credit c
ard debt, owe $75K on a new Mercedes and you're income is just $100K. Jus
t ask people who
did exactly that and went bankrupt. It's not that CA has
unfunded liabilities, it's that they are huge and out of control because
they have been piling up unsupportable amounts of debt for a long time.
The USA is in the process of doing the same thing. And your typical,
asinine response is right above for all to see. Just ignore it. The
USA debt level is now at about $250K for every family in America. That
is more than the worth of most people's homes. It's approaching levels
we haven't seen since WWII relative to the economies ability to support
it. Back then, it was do it or die. Today we're just piling it on
to pour down one rat hole after another.
You really are the village idiot. It's like doctors one after the other
telling you that you have diabetes for years. Then you argue that because
the last one that I happen to show you is 9 months old, it's invalid?
Are you really that dumb?
CA doesn't just have unfunded liabilities, they have HUGE
unfunded liabilities that are in fact the kind that have
already forced those CA cities into bankruptcy. It's not
Rush saying it, it's major business magazines, newspapers,
financial analysts that are sounding the alarm bell.
But I guess all those wonderful republican technical
Republicans? Good grief: From Wikipedia:
"The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic supermajority,
with the Senate consisting of 28 Democrats and 12 Republicans and the Asse
mbly consisting of 55 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Except for the period f
rom 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970
election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between
Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continu
ously since 1970."
And then you make the typical mistake of countering any charge
levied against libs with "but Republicans did this". Republicans
and conservatives are not necessarily the same thing. Schwarzenegger
for one, is not a conservative. Not that a few conservatives could
change anything in CA.
It's really something. The founding fathers gave the states strong
independence and self governance so they could do what they want.
You have 50 states to watch. You can see the results of what failed
policies have produced in some states and how other states have
avoided it. Instead of learning, you libs just want to deny the
failures, all the bad policies, and in fact spread them to the
whole country. It's happening right now.
You only care about how much money I make to the extent that
you have more of it to grab for pouring it down your lib rat
holes. As for children growing up with substandard education,
we conservatives have long been in favor of school vouchers.
Give parents a voucher that they can use at the public school
or any private school of their choice. That would give parents
in failing, violent, out of control schools the choice to
put their kids in better schools. But of course, you libs
won't have any part of that because you insist that. Yet,
here you are, bitching about substandard schools. Go figure.
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