OT..... Fuel Efficient Vehicle Recommendations

Hi;
I have an 2006 vehicle with a V-6 in it that only gets about 18 MPG in the city. I don't do a whole lot of highway driving and have put 16,000 miles on it over the last year. I am thinking about trading it for something more practical. I am looking for something less than $20k with an automatic trans that gets 30+ mpg.
Any recommendations as to what I should check?
Thanks Pat
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komobu wrote:

It's hard to go wrong with a Volkswagen with a TDI, but I'd strongly recommend learning to drive a stickshift if you are interested in best economy.
Hybrids are an appealing technology, but they still haven't managed to build one with a clear economy advantage over the tried-and-true turbodiesel, and the extra complexity seems to me to be more stuff to break.
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30+ city limits you to something like a Corolla or a Hybrid, a Ford Escape SUV hybrid might do 34 city, or a Camry, but I dont know prices
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On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:58:17 -0700, ransley wrote:

Pat needs to consider the total cost per mile. While going from 19 mpg to 30+ mpg is appealing not factoring in the extra costs of the new vehicle including higher insurance would be a mistake.
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komobu wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_(automobile)
Any good?
We do not have the deisel ones imported to the UK, otherwise I would have one.
My deisel Focus does 52 mpg (UK).
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Clot wrote:

The US versions don't get the Diesel engine either, and the gasoline ones get astonishingly average fuel economy.
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Nate Nagel wrote:

We're talking Smart rather than Focus? It would suit us fine to have one of them in the drzive to go town; kids have sort off flown and we don't need a truck to get to town. Current motors - 306 Hatchback, 206cc(d), Focus 1.8d and an A35 four door. Now the last might get you Googling!
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Clot wrote:

Yes, I'm referring to the Smart - the fortwo coupe is rated at 33/41 MPG by the EPA (I just looked it up.) Compare and contrast with a Focus at 24/35 or a 2006 Jetta TDI at 30/37 (and the last for some reason seems to be consistently less than the mileage that people experience in the real world.)
Given that the Smart is too new in this market to evaluate as to whether the EPA estimates are accurate or pessimistic, and the TDI consistently is reported as turning between 40 and 50 MPG on the highway, I don't see the point, unless you either live in a city and the small size is an advantage to you, or you just want to make a fashion statement.
I do understand that the Smart versions sold in Europe may be a good bit more efficient.
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Nate Nagel wrote:

To me there are a couple of attractions to the Four2 D - economy and size. European cities are generally on a smaller scale than US cities and getting a slot is much easier in one of these. For our local needs these days, this model would be great for us. My wife doesn't like taking the 206cc into town to be dinted, I don't need to take a 4 door these days.
But the petrol one does not really stack up for us getting over 50 mpg (UK) from our motors.
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If comfort isn't an issue it's hard to beat an old 3 cylinder Geo Metro. I averaged 52mpg and it didn't matter if it was city or busting ass on the highway at 90mph.
Of course that was all at altitudes of 3500ft.+.
Man, I loved that little disposable POS, it would go practically anywhere. If I coulda got out of it to take a picture, I woulda. -----
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komobu wrote:

"In Berkeley, the price of gas nudges four dollars a gallon, and the citizenry rush out en masse to buy Priuses. But in the desert state of Rajasthan [India], it's camels that are flying off the lot.
"So says the Financial Times, in an amusing, albeit disturbing-if-you-think-too-much-about-it, story by Jo Johnson, "Camel demand up as oil price soars."
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/05/02/the_camel_comeback/
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My dad has a 3 year old Pontiac Vibe (badge engineered, it's a Toyota Matrix). Its automatic with the base 4-cyl and he gets around 30+ around town.
I rented a Chevy Aveo and I got around the same, 30 more or less, I didn't check it but one time and mostly it was on the freeway at high speed. They were advertising new ones here for $11,000. I assume they had no options. My dad paid $14,000 for the Vibe. The current new Vibe is a redesigned model.
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I think Ford Focus is under 10K with automatic, air and CD. Should get over 30 mpg city easily.
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Earlier this spring, I paid $3300 for a used Saturn SL2. I'm getting 29mpg city and 34 highway.
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