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sure, because being in the vicinity of an ebola patient, another infected nurse, feeling icky and feverish wasn't enough hint for her to make her own determination.
She asked the

why is it that you are trying to pin the incompetence on the CDC and Tom Frieden when the nurse clearly knew that she was possibly infected and still decided to fly to another state. Not feeling well and having a fever not enough of a hint?
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which is why I referred to him as Patient Zero
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not unless Spain is in Texas

I'm amused that not one of you conservatives have had the courage to discuss that Perrys texas has the worst health care system in the US and where has he been in all of this, trying on his presidential wardrobe?

next to your concern about the ineptitude of Governor Perry who basically hasn't shown his face, allowing some local judge to be the spokesman for the Dallas Hospital Debacle
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as are you
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(alleged) pros on the subject for guidance. They gave it to her. She acted more than responsibly since she had a concern and went to the (alleged) experts to see what she should do. You might have a case if she just went ahead and traveled. She showed concern, which was alleviated by the (alleged) authorities. Hard to put that on anyone else than the CDC. Unless of course rabid partisanship is clouding your (alleged) judgement.

exposure to safety. If you look at the epidemiology of the two, that actually makes much more sense with flu than with Ebola. Flu is much, much easier to catch. So, why do it for something that science indicates is not all that helpful (Ebola) and not for the something where there is a greater possibility that it might actually help (flu). The main reason (to my cynical way of thinking anyway) is that flu came about and we were comfortable with it and more or less understood before Fox News, CNN, and the Internet came along as a conduit for really bad information. BTW: We don't need a Manhattan project for the flu, we have vaccines.

Nonsense. This solution makes the bureaucrats and politicians VERY happy. If nothing happens (which the odds in their favor) it is because of their great work. If something minor happens, well they did their best and it was not their fault.

Yeah, it is really funny when someone uses a cultural slur.
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She made the determination that she needed advice from someone who knew better. There is every indication that had the CDC said something different, she would have followed that. You can't put this back on her no matter how hard you try. The CDC well and truly screwed the pooch on this one.

It was a hint to talk to someone with greater knowledge. She followed the CDC's direction.
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On 10/31/2014 6:54 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

The nurses in Dallas should have been aware of stricter protocols because Ebola had been in the news for weeks. None of them spoke out until the CDC blamed them for lapses in protocols. The CDC did poorly enough, but the freaking hospital staff, with a patient dying of Ebola, doubtless held some inservices....or should have. During the time that the first patient was there, the same nurses caring for the Ebola patient also cared for other patients.
The nurse who flew to Cleveland (or whereever) was a dunce, IMO. She had a fever and still didn't know she should be isolated? Gimme a break!

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On 10/31/2014 6:54 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

When otherwise intelligent people do stupid things, there is an agenda. In this case....
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The stricter protocols weren't in place until AFTER they were infected. As far as can be shown so far anyway, they followed what was in place from the CDC at the time.

CDC, the supposed pros from Dover on this situation. At the time, her fever was below what the CDC said she needed to be to be considered infected. Also, a fever isn't 98.7 degrees. The temp normally fluctuates by a degree or so and can go a little higher depending in women depending on hormone levels. So, a completely normal temperature could easily be 99.6 or so. Hers before getting on the flight was 99.5. So, outside of panicdotal evidence that seems to be the norm in Ebola, she did not have a temperature. In fact, for every other disease, it isn't considered a fever until about 110.4 degrees.
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On 10/31/2014 11:59 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

Maybe for Martians but Earthlings need to run cooler.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fever/basics/definition/con-20019229
"For an adult, a fever may be uncomfortable, but usually isn't a cause for concern unless it reaches 103 F (39.4 C) or higher. For infants and toddlers, a slightly elevated temperature may indicate a serious infection."
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On 10/31/2014 11:59 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

I have to laugh at all the textbook versions of "fever"; IMO, it is elevated noticeably above a person's normal temp. My normal is 97, always has been. If it gets to 99, I am feeling ill. Highest ever was 104.6 when I had pneumonia....that got scary, but it was the night my fever broke, after 3 weeks of running elevated temp and coughing my socks up.
I won't keep arguing that the nurse was ignorant....if she got through caring for an Ebola patient, learned ANYTHING AT ALL in the process, missed ALL of the news coverage showing the precautions taken by those clinicians in Africa, and STILL had to channel the CDC for permission to go to a wedding, I maintain she did so stupidly.
I worked in a small-town, midwestern hospital (no KNOWN gay men in OUR TOWN) when AIDS was working it's way out of Africa....strange coincidence....and diagnosed my first AIDS patient myself. I don't recall hearing anything about or from the CDC or from hospital management. For a period of time, the diagnosis of AIDS could not be written in a patient's medical record. At the time, I think Faucci was fighting with the French over who first identified the AIDS virus. And the band played on :o)
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I have to proofread better. 100.4 degrees.
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In the state with the worst health care system in the United States I'd find it difficult to believe the hospital wouldn't defy the CDC...you know that states rights thing

Maybe the Perry Commission on this will resolve the issue...wait a minute, he hasn't created that commission, has he?

Flounder on the brain. What a lame, partisan hack. Focus on Flounder, ignore what Alfalfa is and isn't doing, which affects the whole state. Where is Alfalfa, the Governor who is MIA?

under the circumstances why did she have to call the CDC to ask their permission, wasn't she smart enough to understand how much danger she was in? would you want that nurse if you were in that hospital
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show us proof they weren't. why would the CDC have different protocols for different hospitals. granted that in the worst health care system in the United States they might have to write them in simpler language and include more pictures
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So each of those states in the south gets a pass because the other states in the south have low rankings? LOL. Perry is the governor of Texas and is responsible for the health care system in Texas. shit like that roles uphill. Poor baby

Thank you for making my point. Perry is a lousy governor, in charge of a lousy health care system and you seem to be surprised that there were staff infections?

of course not, let's blame the poor citizens that use the system, not the people who run it
As any reasonably person can see,

Then as soon as the guy showed up and it was confirmed that he had ebola, they should have desperately tried to turf him out to a specialist hospital...but strangely they didn't. so that leads to the following conclusions:
1) They thought they had the necessary ability to handle him
2) The governor didn't want to embarrass the state of Texas by letting everyone know that they couldn't handle it

Gee, nice of you to admit it
Nothing says they had to only follow the CDC recommendations.

of course not, because such conjecture must be true and the governor of Texas could never do anything wrong
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I'm just going on what others have said: she felt like crap and had a fever. so if they were wrong, then it follows that I might have been wrong

but where is the outrage? don't the conservatives care about those 108 children that died?

here's the part you cut out

I was referring to the conservative need to use phrases like "Uncle Kummi"...cracker seem appropriate
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under the circumstances, why would she need someone with greater knowledge?
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yes, what was her agenda?

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so the fact is that she was taking her temperature repeatedly while involved in the treatment and noticed that her temp was up about a degree but was a tenth of a degree short of the high end of normal and she maybe didn't think about waiting one more day for a more definitive one tenth of a degree above the high end of normal. gads, you guys go to great lengths to cover these things up, don't you?
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On Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:04:59 AM UTC-4, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:

While involved in what treatment? AFAIK, she first noticed an elevated temperature while on vacation in Cleveland, Ohio. Do try to pay attention to the facts.
And then she did exactly what she was told to do. She called the experts at the CDC that were monitoring her and that are responsible for those "protocols" that you keep saying are so complete, safe, and effective. She called them several times, questioning if it was OK to get on a plane. And they said absolutely YES.
Why do you continue to focus on the nurse and ignore the obvious incompetence at the CDC, run by an Obama appointee? The nurse is not supposed to be the expert on Ebola. The CDC is supposed to have doctors and scientists that are determining what is safe, what is not.
And while at it, where oh where is your concern about the missing Ebola czar Obama appointed? Where is Flounder? Anyone see him? Anyone see Freidan from CDC since the CDC screwed the pooch by telling the nurse to get on the plane?
Meanwhile Canada just instituted a ban on travel for people from West Africa. Obama refuses to do so. The clock is ticking. With 25,000 infected in Africa now, it's only a matter of time until another Duncan case arrives.
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