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[Bob_Villa]

Trader4ickt responded thusly:

Window Explorer is the file/folder manager, Internet Explorer is a browser! *L*

[clare]

But if all you want to do is run Lotus Symphony and Lotus Magellan, better to stick with a Dos6 or Windows 3.1 OS on a 386SX

[clare]

I'm not a computer engineer, but I have experienced computers slowing to a crawl with bad caps, that came right back to life when I replaced the caps. It's not just the processor clock - it's the IO from the hard drive, the refresh rate on the RAM, and the output to the video that can all slow down. The processor misses clock cycles if the voltage goes off spec too, from what I've been told.

Some bad caps will also make the computer not boot. Or make the computer crash when it gets warm.

[Tony Hwang]

Huh? Wonder what kinda stuffs you have been working for 25 years? When I started out I was working on vacuum tube and transistor driven systems. Today's apps size is often bigger than 256, LOL! One example, look at the Photo shop Pro..... Wonder what people do with computers these days. Just doing word processing? emailing? that's it?

[Tony Hwang]

[Jerry]

Hi Oren,

Here's some information. I did have 53 updates to download and install! Still 3 to go. Thank you

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[Jerry]

I was not familiar with Microcenter until you posted it here. There is one about 20 miles from me. This may be the ticket.

[rbowman]

Unless it is a 32bit x86 version.

[clare]

Don't know what you are getting at or what your problem is. I just said 256 is inadequate - 512 is bare minimum, and 1024 wakes it up. Where's your beef??? I also said using too little ram and multitasking is hard on the hard drive due to page filing (virtual ram).. That is true. What's your beef?

I started working for a computer manufacturer locally 25 years ago, when the XT was hot stuff - the PC with 2 single side 5 1/4" floppies was standard - with 16K of ram being a "full load" We were the largest distributor of hard drives in Canada at the time, and went on to be, fo a short time, the largest distributor of CD Rom equipment in Canada - and I put CD Roms on networks across Canada back before CD Rom was supported by the operating systems or networks (novell, Banyan Vines, SCO, etc)

After 5 years in that position I went off on my own - been 20 years now servicing small/medium business computers and networks.

Most (small/medium) businesses today could get along just fine with XP Pro and 1 or 2 gb of Ram with 340gb hard drives, with a Windows 2003 server with a terrabyte or two.

My major clients are being forced into Windows 7 as their old systems die off - not because they need the capability (other than not being able to run more than IE8 - and the application not being Firfox or Chrome friendly)

[clare]

Yup - with 32 bit OS, anything over 4Gb is a total waste.

[clare]

You can use it as a ram drive on some computers - but not as system ram. Using the ram drive for VRam has advantages. It is no longer a documented/supported feature in XP, but it can be done - see:

[gregz]

I just did it and put it on cd the other day.

Greg

[gregz]

I bought a HP laptop with W7 about three years ago. I'm mostly afraid to use it. HP has had so many bios updates and other updates. Just last week it updated, and came up with a new desktop scheme, it was ok after I rebooted. Last year I figured out a comcast virus software was screwing up every shutdown, requiring windows fix each time. When I turn this machine on, might as well get a cup of coffee before tryin to use it. I have not updated windows since last year. At least I can use it some.

Greg

[gregz]

You also have to make sure SP2 is installed.

Greg

[Scott Lurndal]

In 40 years of computer engineering, I've not experienced this. I've seen caps blow up (and blow right out the side of the mainframe). I've seen bad caps let the magic smoke out. I've seen dead caps prevent a system from booting.

I've never seen, nor heard of a cap causing a PC to slow down. Not that I'm discounting your experience, I'm just not sure that you've correctly attributed the problem to the capacitors.

You've been told incorrectly. Once you've exceeded the tested margins for the voltage or frequency, system operation is unpredictable. That said, most modern processors use DVFS (Dynamic Voltage and Frequency scaling) to dyamically reduce power consumption by varying both within margins.

The former, true, the latter, not so much (it's other components that can't stand the heat).

[Scott Lurndal]

I think he was twitting you about forgetting the unit multipler.

256? 256k? 256M? 256G? 256T? Can't do much in 256 bytes.

[Scott Lurndal]

Windows server will support up to 36GB using PAE on x86_32. Any one task/process is still limited to 4GB however.

[trader_4]

I agree with Clare and Rbowman. A 32 bit OS can only use 4GB. This thread has wandered all over and there was at least one poster advocating that 512MB was enough. The OP didn't state how much memory he had. So I was thinking in the context if he only has say 1GB, then adding more memory and it will be used. But if it's already at 4GB, I agree that adding more isn't going to help. A 12 year old MB may not have the ability to have more than 4GB anyway.

[trader_4]

Thanks for the info guys. I'll pass that along to my friend. IDK what he was looking at that lead him to believe it was no longer available from MSFT. It didn't sound quite right to me either, because usually they just discontinue updates, fixes, support, etc but leave whatever there is existing available for a long time.

[gfretwell]

Ah those days when 8 K of core (RAM for you kids) would run a big company and the 7 bit CPU cycle was 11.5 uS (IBM 1401)

256 characters was plenty for a little program. (no "bytes" yet) I do sort of miss it.