Amazing how some people get such a bug up their ass
about MSFT that it becomes like an obsession. I've been
using their products for twenty years and am a satisfied
customer. Apparently hundreds of millions of others
are too or they would be out of business by now.
Are they perfect? No. Are they tough businessmen, out
to defend their turf and make a profit? Sure. So what?
Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Win 7 is
running right here on this PC and is, IMO, a fine and
I have most of my machines on XP Pro SP3 and they are very stable but
the couple W/98SE machines I am running are pretty stable too, once
you get all the patches on. That is the problem with Microsoft. Just
about the time they get the bugs out, they come out with a new
release. That is why I stay at least one version off the bleeding
edge. Let the pioneers take the arrows.
Provided you define HELL as pretty damned nice.
Back in the 70s when I first encountered UNIX at Bell Labs it was a
massive improvement over the mainframes I'd used before.
Back in the 80s when I used Solaris, with a GUI and all, pretty damned
Back in the 90s when I got my first Linux distribution installed,
I did have to patch the ethernet driver and later a video driver,
but it was still damned nice.
So the issue in front of me is 10 years ago, was UNIX hell?
Well that would be 2002. Unix (Linux in particular) worked
well for me.
Since then it's only gotten better.
Yeah, time goes fast for us old guys. Change 10 to 20 or 25.
Every version of Unix or Xenix had it's own quirks.
Once you learned all the quirky syntax you could make it sit up and
dance. If you didn't, you couldn't get it to do anything.
Likewise, I don't care which OS you use. I'm a firm believer in
choice. But, don't sit there and tell me M$ is not intrusive,
maniputlative, and controlling. THAT is a bald faced lie and everyone
I have a near virgin XP netbook, probably last XP build. I rarely
boot to Windows, preferring to completely bypass Windows and boot to
Linux from a flash drive. Regardless, new out of the box, many of XPs
native apps do not work. For instance, WMV does not function at all
and will not even play the 2 example files included. Not until I get
on the net and connect to microsoft.com and kiss their mangy ass or
get anointed or whatever the fsck I gotta do to get them to enable the
software I've already paid good $$ for. Gee, and I thought this was
MY computer. Silly me. Well, fsck 'em. Let WMV rot. And, if you
want to play this stupid denial game --which Windows users seem
particularly adept at-- be my guest. Momma notbob never raised such a
So you bailed before XP? Should've stuck around for that one. [Win
7 is too different for this old brain to make the adjustment easily--
but it might even be better than XP if I can learn how to do what I
want with it] If you haven't run windows in 10 years, how can you
have an opinion on it?
That would be like me saying that Lamborghinis ride like shit. I've
never been in one, but I can tell by looking at them.
I run my desktop 24/7 and probably reboot every couple or 3 weeks for
some reason or other. Did it with XP for years, and now Win 7 for
a couple months. Seems pretty reliable to me-
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz, 95 watt. I chose this because most bang for
the buck for my purposes; X3 rather than X4 because of much lower power draw
ASRock AOD790GX, 140w OK, AM3 OK - $124.99. Chosen because compatible with
CPU, decent price. No other reason, has been fine.
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
3.0Gb/s, OEM - $69.99, 5 year warranty. Fast, good cache, fast data
transfer, great warranty (paid with MC to double it). Comes in bigger
capacity too, didn't need more. Specs are even better now, eg 6.0 Gb/s.
BURN LG|GH22NS30 22X SATA - OEM $24.99. No particular reason for getting an
LG but it has been fine, very happy with it. Price was certainly right :)
On Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:53:57 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
I usually buy from Dell (4 new units, bought and sold many used ones).
If you get a cheap Dell and it doesn't come with an OS disc for reinstall...you can ask them for one (in the US).
+When I started building my own computers, I would typically go to
Newegg and check ratings and reviews for each of the components, then go
with that advice.
All of my original builds, I used the best Asus motherboards available
at the time. P4PE, P4C800E-D, P5AD2E. These are Intel socket boards, and
I used the best bank for the buck processor. I used Seagate hard drives.
Those machines worked flawlessly, but ultimately all of the boards
crapped out except the original P4PE. At the end of the day I'm not that
happy with Asus
After some time of not building anything, I needed to build another
batch, these are within the last two years. This time I went with
Gigabyte motherboards and I5 intel processors. I also switched to WD
hard drives, just for a change, the Seagates were always good to me. All
my machines are running continuously, some are gaming setups, and there
hasn't been the slightest hiccup from any of them.
Oren, I have built a few systems for self and friends since '94. Still do upgrades, etc., but now it's less cost (and I have less time now) to just buy a complete basic system at one of the discount houses, swap out parts & sell the extra one on ebay. If I had more time, I would still be building them like you are.
So, just for info, the place I hit first around here in Calif is www.frys.com. A few times a year they will have a basic system less monitor for $199. Typically it's a no-name brand, but I have bought a dozen over the years and never had trouble with any of them. Right now I'm using one called Great Value. (I knew it had to be bottom of the line. LOL!!) But ended up buying 3 total and all are still humming away. Only had one USB port go out on one of the, and a $15 USB card fixed that.
Check out their specials -- they run full page ads in the paper which is better for me than searching a website. You can view them online also at www.frys.com -- click at the top on "See our ads".
Sounds good. In that case, maybe the recycler.com or ebay might be a possibility? I still have the first laptop I bought with Win95 on it and it still works fine for the applications I installed on it. Also have W98SE, 2000, ME and XT on machines, all running fast and fine for what they were intended.
I'm a firm believer of picking the application first and then seeing if I need to upgrade OS or hardware. I still have one of the original system-builder DVDs of Windows 7 that I got as a Frys loss leader. Never have installed because I still have not needed to upgrade yet.
I have been partial to AMDs but haven't built a computer for myself in some
years (parts for the last buy are sitting in the closet collecting dust
(intended as a media PC). Since laptops became more like desktops, I switched
and haven't done much with components since.
Tyan or Asus were my choices.
At one time I bought nothing but IBMs. I had zero problems with them, even
with the worst of the DeathStars, I had no failures. When IBM got out of the
business I went to Seagates but with laptop drives I had a lot of failures,
usually at quite inopportune times (traveling). It got so I'd carry a spare
in my laptop case. I think this one is a WD, but I'm not sure. It's been
fine for three years.
Whatever's cheap. I would buy a writer. They're cheap.
I've had *very* good luck with a cheap 16x10 (1920x1200) 24" Soyo. I bought
it five years ago for $260 and it's been great. I also have an older 21" Dell
but I don't use it much. I'd use both if I could get a third monitor working
reliably on my laptop. I tried one of the USB display adapters but it wasn't
Nevermind! ;-) I've bought a laptop (wife's) and a netbook in that time, but
no desktop stuff.
I used to do that for people (used to build several a day at work -
investigating compatible parts) but found that they weren't so competent and
tended to blame the hardware. It's much easier to let them buy the $400
special at BestBuy.
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