OT -- avoid the flu shot?

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Latest on the Flu Shot Scam Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010

I attended a webinar presented by Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, perhaps the country's leading expert on the dangers of vaccinations. Dr. Tenpenny sought to give the latest on the annual campaign that happens every Fall to scare people into getting flu shots.

My Better Health Update, Flu Shots: Yes or No is recommended reading for the documentation as to why flu shots are neither safe nor effective (available at

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and how to naturally protect yourself from flu and other winter infections. But here is some additional information taken from Dr. Tenpenny's webinar:

This isn't "flu season," but rather is "flu shot season" due to the extensive media propaganda aimed at selling this highly lucrative product.

"Flu season" coincides with the time of the year when people have the lowest vitamin D levels. Vitamin D deficiency from lack of sun in the winter is perhaps the primary reason for winter illnesses. At Pacific Health Center we generally suggest 4000 - 5000 i.u.'s of vitamin D per day.

Flu comes and goes, generally as a relatively minor illness, but the side-effects of flu shots can last a lifetime.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) say that the vaccine viruses need to be an exact match of the viruses in circulation to be effective. The odds of this are almost nil, since it takes a nine month process to produce flu vaccine, basing its contents on the strains active last year in SE Asia. The CDC also states that, over the past 11 years, 86% of all influenza-like illnesses were not causes by influenza viruses. Therefore, if flu shots are beneficial at all, they will only be beneficial 14% of the time.

Flu vaccine may contain the following: formaldehyde, MSG, sucrose, thimerosol, Triton X-100 detergent, and hydrocortisone.

Formaldehyde is carcinogenic in humans. Flu shots have two and a half times the formaldehyde as the level listed as "an immediate danger to life and health" by the National Institute for Occupational Safety & Health.

Adjuvants like toxic aluminum in flu shots accelerate the activation of the immune system. But once the immune system is "turned on," there's no switch to turn it off. Long-term side effects are unknown. Can you spell "autoimmune disease?"

The CDC says it doesn't know how many deaths per year are actually caused by influenza, but it's not the oft-advertised 36,000. The American Lung Association says the average is 1200 per year with less than 20 children per year dying of the flu.

The Cochrane Collaborative Vaccine Project reviewed 51 studies on more than

260,000 children, concluding there was "no evidence" flu shots were more effective than a placebo. The Mayo Clinic found a higher risk of hospitalization in children who received flu shots. Cocrane also reviewed 25 reports on 60,000 adults, finding that flu shots only reduced risk by a negligible 6%.

A review of 75 studies over 40 years on senior citizens found that one cannot conclude flu shots are effective for people over 65. Yet there is no group more badgered to get flu shots than seniors! Dr. Tenpenny's conclusion: Just say "no" to flu shots!

But saying "no" to flu shots does not mean doing nothing to prevent flu and other winter illnesses. Pacific Health Center suggests the following protocol, which we have used for several years with great success:

Take 5000 i.u.'s of vitamin D daily (we recommend our Vitamin D 5000) Take our Flu Prevention Homeopathic formula once per week throughout the winter and early Spring (Flu Nosode 2010-2011) Take an L-Lysine collagen building formula to prevent invasions by viruses and other microorganisms (we recommend Collagen Forte) Take 2000 - 3000 mg/day of a buffered, ascorbate vitamin C with bioflavonoids (we recommend our Ascorbplex 1000) These four products are available on a special right now on our website. Just go to this link:

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a healthy winter, flu and flu-shot free!

- Monte Kline, Clinical Nutritionist

Reply to
Stormin Mormon
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Please, please...don't get the flu shot. Please, get the flu and DIE. We should be so lucky as to have this happen...we need to mourn.

Reply to
Roy

That's the red flag that negates anything they said.

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mike

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Have a healthy winter, flu and flu-shot free!

Your posting (edited for brevity) might have a shred more interest and credibility if it cited references. Where exactly does the CDC say that vaccines must be the "exact" match? Which issue of which journal published the Mayo Clinic data you cite, etc.? Does the Cochrane Collaborative and/or the Pacific Health Center have a meaningful bibliography of research articles in recognized reputable medical journals?

With respect to the speculation that vit D deficiency is the cause of increased susceptibility to influenza, how does that square with the fact that influenza commonly affects the entire U.S. southern tier of states from east coast to west coast (where the weather commonly is compatible with summer/bathing suit style of clothing, even in peak flu season) as well as the more northern states? After all, it only takes

10-15 minutes of whole body exposure to summer sun to generate and release into the blood up to 20,000 U of D3 (J. Nutr. February 1, 2005 vol. 135 no. 2 317-322). Do the sources cited seriously believe that winter residents of Florida, Texas, Arizona, southern California etc. are not receiving sufficient sunshine to generate more than the 5,000 U Vit D contained in the pill being peddled?

Many of the statements exemplify flawed logic. For example, even if the CDC does say somewhere that 86% of "flu-like" illnesses are not caused by the influenza virus, and that only 14% of patients with such illnesses might be helped by the influenza vaccination, the posting ignores the fact that the CDC, on it's own web site, strongly favors flu vaccination for almost all people over the age of 6 months. Just because an illness may initially present with "flu-like" symptoms, less dangerous illnesses have a much lower risk of evolving life-threatening complications than does influenza. The overwhelming majority of credible studies done over decades have determined that the risks of serious complications from a flu vaccination are miniscule compared with the risk of serious complications from the flu.

I don't want to throw around my c.v. here, but I believe I have sufficient formal education, clinical, and career experience to say with some authority that your posting does not provide any information to justify making any hypothesis, not to speak of statistically significant data to support a hypothesis. It is a very good example of scientific illiteracy.

Reply to
Peter

NB: the web site describes itself as "a Christian owned and operated natural health care provider that specializes in Limbic Stress Assessment (LSA) to determine a client?s nutrient deficiencies, food sensitivities and toxicities"

This person is qualified as an osteopath (bonesetter) i.e. neither a GP physician nor an epidemiologist.

Reply to
Don Phillipson

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I was wonder what the percentages were for full, partial sun.

from the flu.

I suppose the common cold, a virus, is mostly responsible.

I've seen the posting before. I take vitamin c. I take vitamin d. A few years ago my hip was causing major problems. I attribute taking vitamin d along with other minerals making it 95% better.

I got my flu shot.

Greg

Reply to
gregz

The doctor may be a nutcase, but Osteopathic doctors are far more than bone setters. Could you be thinking of orthopedic?

My wife's cardiologist is a DO. We trust him with her life and he has done good so far.

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Ed Pawlowski

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Reply to
PV

Hey Norm, are you one of those religious nuts that lets their kids die rather let them have a blood transfusion?

Reply to
harryagain

He's one of those gullible types that falls for every type of liar, con artist, and swindler out there. It's characteristic of those who prefer to believe in magic over facts.

Reply to
Moe DeLoughan

Let's get the facts straight here. I happen to be a board certified Orthopedic Surgeon. I have an M.D. and spent 5 1/2 years in post medical school internship and residency training. I could not even sit for the American Board of Orthopedic Surgery's certification exam until I had several years of documented clinical experience, including documentation of operations performed, etc. My formal education trained me to be substantially more than just a "bone setter" and in my clinical practice I diagnosed and treated a wide spectrum of congenital, infectious, malignant, inflammatory, and degenerative diseases of the musculoskeletal system in addition to traumatic injuries. My training taught me to recognize when some of my patient's complained of symptoms that were caused by non-orthopedic problems and required treatment by other specialists for effective resolution. I don't know where anyone gets the idea that orthopedic doctors are merely "bone setters". As for nutcases, I've known many nut cases and there is no correlation between academic credentials and wrong-headed thinking.

As far as what you say about osteopaths, I strongly and completely support your comments with one caveat: prior to about 25-30 years ago, the formal training of osteopaths was substantially inferior to that of M.D.s. That has not been the case for many decades. Most osteopaths don't even specialize in the diseases of the musculo-skeletal system and the one's I've known are fully equivalent to M.D.s in every respect.

Reply to
Peter

He's spewing BS. Get the shot. Recent research has also shown that getting the shots reduces heart problems by 50% in older people. Most heart problems are caused by inflammation of various kinds and the flu shots, besides preventing the flu, also reduce coronary inflammation that you wouldn't even notice till the heart problem became acute.

Reply to
Ashton Crusher

After my inlaw working for the company that developed flumist, I bought stock in the company, and kept dropping, bought more, dropping, then slight recovery. I don't know what differences are in the chemical makeup of sniff vs shot, but the mist has live virus and claimed more effectiveness. I have yet to get the mist, but I think I'm out of the zone. It was several years ago when they were running out of flu shots, yet they had plenty of mist available.

Greg

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gregz

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Wife and I had the Hong Kong flu in 1968. Really rough thing to have. Thought we were going to die. Have taken the flu shots ever since. She has NO immune system due to medicine she takes to prevent rejecting heart transplant. Has not have any problem taking the flu shots. WW

Reply to
WW

I don't think the shot will work with NO immune system..

I was just thinking of the stomach virus I had in the mid 70's, that screwed me up for a couple years.

Greg

Reply to
gregz

I don't think the shot will work with NO immune system..

I was just thinking of the stomach virus I had in the mid 70's, that screwed me up for a couple years.

Greg

Transplant 14 + years ago. WW

Reply to
WW

They want to scare people into getting it, because it brings in BIG MONEY. Hell, every pharmacy in my area is littered with signs saying "Flu shots available".

I got one of them once, back in the 1970s. I got very sick from it. I've never gotten one since. I generally get a cold or two each winter, and sometimes what they call the flu. I'm just getting over a stomach issue that lasted about 4 days and made me quite ill, but it's going away, and I'll live. Even if I could get the shot free, I would not take it again.

Then too, I have often wondered if those shots could contain some sort of drug that makes a person act in a certain way, for example, vote for a certain political party, or join some religion, or even buy certain products. I have never trusted the government and all of this is possible. For all I know, it could contain a substance that makes elderly people die sooner so the govt. dont have to pay as much social security.

All of this reminds me of the antidepressant drugs that doctors seem to hand out like candy these days, even for other illnesses such as migraine headaches, arthritis and other ailments. That crap most definately changes a persons mental state, and easily could be used to make people act in a specific way. I've been offerred that shit for both migraines and arthritis, and I flat out refuse to take it. I've told more than one doctor that I'll rather deal with the headaches or pain than the side effects of that garbage medication.

Reply to
homeowner

I would be inclined to go with the mist up my nose since that's where I believe the flu virus enters the body anyway. I know there are different vectors but a virus can get into you if you touch contaminated surfaces then your mouth so the immune response is going to start in the mucous membranes. Why not start there? O_o

TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

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There is a lot of overprescribing, and folks need to know what their meds will do in the way of dosing and side effects. Flu is a killer, in addition to being an economic problem (for those who care) in lost work days....I've taken care of lots of folks with pneumonia resulting from flu, generally elderly who get the worst of it. Worst flu epidemic I can remember was in 1970 when our hospital was full to capacity and had beds in the hallway and I was pregnant. Came close to miscarrying, which is another big hazard and not well known.

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Norminn

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kac7u3$dd7$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

So far I myself have always gone with the shot, but I believe the mist is supposed to be better. While your idea has appeal - that is the location where you get the infection, so immunizing there is better - I don't think that is necessarily the most important reason. Immune cells have a way to travel to the sites where they are needed anyway, so where the immunization takes place isn't very important. I think the reason inhaling the mist is working so well is the abundance of bloodvessels near the surface of the nasal mucosa (design by Mother nature to get as fast as possible at the bugs you breathe in). So entry of the vaccine into the blood stream is easy and effective right there - no pain, all gain. Addicts don't inject cocaine subcutaneously, they snort it. For the anal retentive there is another route. In fact, suppositories are a very effective way to introduce medications.

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Han

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