There actually have been some "experts" suggesting basically that same
thing. One noted that it could have been hijacked and flown somewhere
else and landed. Of course how they carved out a big enough landing
strip in an area remote enough that nobody would notice the odd jet
landing, put in the things needed to land the plane safely (most likely
at night), keep over 100 passengers from getting unruly, and then
housing and/or killing them wasn't exactly fleshed out.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
And when they realized that they hadn't worked out the important details of
holding a plane and passengers alive for ransom, they crashed the plane into
I am surprised the Chinese aren't claiming the US has a new super drone or
laser weapon that can turn airliners into dust without leaving a trace.
I still think given that the oil rig worker claims to have seen a fireball
and the data stops in the area of the first turn that's where they'll
eventually find the wreckage. I seem to remember a bunch of people lost at
sea that were overflown by a number of search planes before someone noticed
them. I would also draw a big circle on the map that indicated how far the
plane could fly before running out of fuel and search that circumference as
well. That's an awful lot of ground and sea to cover. This is appearing
more and more like the work of Rodan or Godzilla. (-:
All jetliners should be modified to leave a trail of bread crumbs . . .
Or their insurers should demand they all get LoJack installed. This could
be the incident that causes changes to the black box system where all the
crucial data to find the lost plane doesn't reside on the lost plane. These
automatic maintenance transponders are a start. Having radar transponders
that are hidden away or require a key code to shut them down would be
another simple fix. As simple as locking the damn cabin doors turned out to
be. I read something that implied the MH370 pilots were known to have
unlocked the cabin door to entertain female visitors.
The oil worker could have seen the flaring of gas happening at a distant
rig. That can be ruled in or out by knowing the location of all rigs in
Gas flaring might be an uncommon necessity in that area, hence the
worker wouldn't have been accustomed to seeing it.
I would expect a rig worker to be able to distinguish between a flare of
burning gas rising up from the water and a plume of flame heading down
towards the water. Of course, we did have reports of flaming wreckage on
TWA 800 that looked like a missile rising from the surface so I guess
anything's possible, including mirages that can make things like whole towns
appear where they are not.
Check out the remarkable photos at:
<<This optical phenomenon occurs because rays of light are bent when they
pass through air layers of different temperatures in a steep thermal
inversion where an atmospheric duct has formed>>
It will be interesting to see if the plane's wreckage is found within
"sight" distance of the rig the worker was on. If there's routine flaring
he must have been used to seeing it. More likely he's a "false witness"
seeking fame but I doubt it. I would like to know more about whether he saw
and reported the object BEFORE anyone knew that MH370 was missing. It was
implied in some reports but never clearly stated.
I am not sure they know what they saw or what they are doing. As the Onion
<<Additionally, the airline confirmed it had expanded its active search area
to include a several-hundred-square-mile zone in the Indian Ocean as well as
each of the seven or 22 additional spatial dimensions posited by string
"At this stage, we can't rule anything out: not crew interference with the
transponders, not a catastrophic electrical failure, not the emergence of a
complex topological feature of space-time such as an Einstein-Rosen bridge
that could have deposited the flight at any location in the universe or a
different time period altogether, nothing."
"Could a parallel universe have immediately swelled up from random
cosmological fluctuation according to the multiverse theory and swallowed
the flight into its folds, or could ice have built up on an airspeed sensor?
Those are both options we are currently considering," Rahman added.
"Everything's on the table. That is, insofar as anything exists at all,
which we're also looking into.">>
It's still right there, like Babylon 4, only dimensionally shifted.
I've been busy watching the DVDs and wondering who stole what from whom.
I'm now of the opinion that any SciFi series that lasts more than a few
seasons will invariably do an episode that's almost a total "mirror" rip-off
of a similar series. Now if you want to see really bad SciFi, check out
"Slave Girls from Beyond Infinity." (-: It stands in a class by itself.
I rented it because the site that reviewed "Millenium" had it listed as a
"must be seen to be believed" kind of film. They got that right. One great
moment was when they resorted to the standard SciFi trope: "Let's reverse
the polarity and see if that works." Did hooking up a car battery backwards
ever help anyone? You'd think so based on how many SciFi films recommend
On Monday, March 10, 2014 2:15:46 PM UTC-4, nam sak wrote:
Because according to Interpol which maintains a database of lost
and stolen PPS, only a few countries check it. Interpol souded pissed
too. You would think that
each country would have their own database of valid PP that would
be supplied by all countries, together with Interpol info on stolen
PPS, wanted criminals, suspected terrorists, etc. That it would be
updated once a day or so. I think we all
assumed something like that was in place post 911.
Even worse, media is reporting Malaysia is saying that there were
several prior incidents of people trying to board planes with fake
passports or explosives. I wonder who they shared that info with?
Well if it has some catastrophic event, ie a major structural
failure either from a defect or bomb, that would do it. It loses
power to the transponder, radios, etc. And
if it's over water and goes in relatively intact, there might not
be much debris. AirFrance lost a 330 over the Atlantic Ocean
after leaving Brazil a few year ago. I think it took 5 days to
find that crash site and 2 years to locate the black boxes.
There is and they lost contact about 50 mins into the flight,
while it was over the ocean between Malaysia and Vietnam. That is
where the data apparently ended.
There are also websites that track flights using the transponders
on board, not radar. In the case of MA370, those receptions ended the
same time. If you want to see it, go to Flightradar24.com
Move the map to Malaysia area. You'll see current flights.
On the upper left, you can click on playback. Enter Mar 7 16:45
In a minute or so, you'll see flights appear. Mouse over the
ones leaving Kuala Lumpur headed up to the right and you'll find
MA370. You can also track the same flights on prior days and
see how all the data is there continously as it moves from
Kuala Lumpur over Vietnam, on to Hong Kong area, etc. On
the missingflight there is nothing after about 45 mins into the
flight, it's just gone.
the day is coming where all airliners will send a satellite link, with real time cockpit conversation, all the black box info, location in real time.
so when something goes wrong there will be lots of info......
all recorded on a secure server somewhere, instantly available.
apparently north korea launced a missle around the same time as the disappearance. it the loss can be tied to north korea, its time to bomb the countries leaders, and take him out
We practically have that now. The Air France flight that went down in
2009 was transmitting some engineering data to a satellite network
during the flight.
China and Japan would have gone ballistic because both of them would
have detected such a missle.
And it would have caused mid-air disintigration and a large debris
I doubt that North Korea would have the technology for a missle that
could take out a plane so far away.
I doubt that even the US could do such a thing, given the distance and
given the speed of the target.
On Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:32:20 PM UTC-4, Home Guy wrote:
I was wondering that about the 777. I wonder if it transmits
similar data back to the airline. If so, no mention has been
made about it.
Not to mention that the flight path of said missle from NK would
have violated multiple nations airspace to get to where it was
going. I haven't heard anything like that about this incident.
Probably confusing this with a missle that NK did launch a week
or so ago, unannounced, that went near a flight path that a China
airliner had passed by shortly before. The Chinese are pissed
and told their crazy cousin about it, like that will do any good....
That's one thing I've never understood. China has so many
great cities that are thriving and it's become a majore economic
power. Why they allow the nut jobs in NK to continue what they
are doing is beyond me. Any nukes they develop, they could easily
have some nut over there turn and start threatening China or
actually use them against them.
10 March 2014 Last updated at 09:08 ET
How the MH370 website ended up on eBay
A screenshot of the mh370.com website The holding page for the site was
included in the eBay auction
As people flock online to find out about the the missing MH370 flight,
an eBay seller has sought to profit from the trend by "flipping" the
domain name MH370.com.
The hashtag #PrayforMH370 has been tweeted more than 1.8 million times
since news of the missing flight broke on Friday night - and been used
to share messages of condolence and support. But in an attempt to
monetise the flow of traffic, somebody has registered a web address and
tried to sell it for $5,000 (£3,000).
An eBay auction for the domain told potential buyers why bidding could
be advantageous: "Buy this domain today and sell it later on for
thousands of dollars," it began. "Dozens of companies, families of
victims, will want to buy it from you. Pay little money today and make
huge profit tomorrow," it continued.
An eBay user called "chypriotte" hoped to sell the domain for $5,000
Registering web domain names and then selling them - known as "flipping"
- is common practice online. Some labelled the sale "despicable" on
Twitter, and the outcry appears to have had an effect. The auction was
closed before it ended, and the site does not appear to have changed
So who initially registered the domain? BBC Trending has not been able
to confirm the person's identity so far.
Using Microsoft MapPoint and drawing radar circles centered on various
cities in Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, and using a radius of
250 miles (which seems to be the upper limit of civillian aviation
radar), if I wanted to hijack a plane flying straight from Kuala Lumpur
to Beijing (2790 miles),
The normal track of the flight doesn't seem to be a straight line, as
The location of the "possible crash" point on that image is about 1,100
miles from Kuala Lumpur.
The wikipedia article on MH370 says:
========The aircraft's last known position before disappearing off ATC radar was
6°55?15?N 103°34?43?E? / ?6.92083°N 103.57861°E? / 6.92083; 103.57861
That location is within 10 miles of the discovery of a black trail (of
smoke? Oil?) in the image put forward by n2yo.com below.
Kuala Lumpur radar lost contact with the plane at 1:22 am. At that
time, the plane had been in the air for about 40 minutes. That distance
would have been 285 miles from Subang Air Traffic Control, and
presumably at the outer edge of their range?
===========However, a Malaysia Airlines spokesperson said that the last
conversation between the flight crew and air traffic control in Malaysia
had been around 01:30, and stated that the plane had not disappeared
from air traffic control systems in Subang until 02:40, which is long
enough for the plane to have been flying across Vietnam
That would give Subang ATC the ability to track planes at a distance of
750 to 800 miles - well beyone what I've read is the typical distance
for civillian ATC.
If the plane did fly an additional 100 to 125 miles beyond the last
known radar contact, it would have entered the range of Ho Chi Minh ATC,
yet there are no reports that it was ever detected by that radar.
So the bottom line is that the plane was commandeered (or was attempted
to be commandeered) at a very strategic location in the gap in radar
coverage between Kulala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh. The plane either went
down in that area (either with or without performing any controlled
maneuvering) or it was successfully commandeered in that area and flown
some distance on a south-east course (a hard right-hand turn from it's
original direction) and was flown in the radar gap for 250 miles before
turning back to the north-east and flown potentially 800 miles before
being detected by Manila ATC or China ATC.
See also this:
===========Flight MH370 - A possible location of the crash?
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370) is a missing international
passenger flight operated by a Boeing 777-200ER aircraft with 227
passengers and 12 crew members on board. Flight 370 departed Kuala
Lumpur, Malaysia, at 00:41 on 8 March 2014 for a scheduled six-hour
flight to Beijing, China. Reports indicate that Subang Air Traffic
Control Centre lost contact with the plane at about 01:22, while it was
over the Gulf of Thailand, and the plane was reported missing at 02:40.
As of 9 March 07:00 UTC the location of the impact is still unknown.
However a scan of the latest Terra/MODIS satellite image reveals a dark
band in the South China Sea, located approximately at 6.1N 104.6E. The
picture has been taken at 03:35 UTC on 03/09/2014 with a resolution of
The full resolution satellite picture of the area can be downloaded
here. The area of interest is indicated with a red circle.
9 March 2014, 3:40am EST
The red circle is just at the boundary of a 250-mile radar circle
centered at Kuaka Lumpur, and 300 miles from Singapore. If the plane
was returning or retracing it's flight path, and had reduced it's
altitude to 10,000 feet or less, it's quite likely to have not been seen
on radar in those cities.
But it would have been seen on radar (if there is a radar facility?) in
Kota Baharu or Kuala Terengganu.
On Monday, March 10, 2014 10:47:32 AM UTC-4, Home Guy wrote:
That route appears to be inaccurate based on the actual flight paths
that you can see for the same flight on days previous to the crash.
Those planes flew over central Vietnam, going in over land near the
tip of Vietnam, traveling over about the middle of it northward, then
going out of water again just south of Da Nang, then proceeding over
That possible crash point isn't the main area of focus or even
one of the secondary ones. That site is where another commercial
flight recently reported seeing some kind of large debris field.
So, they are sending planes, ships, there to take a look. If
it did crash there, then it was flying for a lot longer than
when the data stream ended. And all they have is one siting of
some kind of debris field, which as other sitings, may have
nothing to do with the plane in question. If it did get there,
how could it have done so without Vietnam ATC or military radar
seeing it at all?
As I understand it, the "oil" has now been tested and it's not
from a plane.
That radar contact for two hours was what the airline said for
a day. But it's been since retracted, AFAIK. And if it were true,
then the primary search area would not be in the area just 50 mins
or so into the flight, when contact was really lost, ie the area
about in the middle between Malaysia and Vietnam. Nor would there be
any sense to what is going on now, with Malaysian military and ATC
saying there is some evidence that the plane may have changed course,
heading back where contact was lost 50 mins into the flight. That's why:
A - They've been searching primarily in the area between Malaysia
B - Now based on the possibility that the plane turned back, they
are extending the search across Malaysia and into a big area on
the waters off the *west* coast of Malaysia.
If they had been in radar contact with the plane for two hours,
not 50 mins, none of the above would make any sense. They would
know where it went beyond where it was last seen, ie between
Malaysia and Vietnam, ~50 mins into the flight.
Yes, which means the 2 hour radar contact BS that the airline
was saying for a day or more was wrong.
Agree. Vietnam says it went missing about a minute before it would
have entered their airspace.
Nobody has said there is a gap in radar coverage. And the Flightradar24
website which just uses simple receivers that receive the transponder
info, ie speed, heading, altitude, etc track that same flight every
day contiously across the water, into Vietnam, all the way to Hong Kong
and beyond. Yet on MA370, the data ends in the waters between Malaysia
and Vietnam, ie where the primary search area is.
The plane either went
Again, I haven't seen anyone say that there is a radar gap. And if
there is, the transponder would have had to have been turned off or
it would show up on Flightradar24, which is independent of radar.
I agree that the two possibilities seem to be that it either went
down between Malaysia and Vietnam following some major event that
ended it's transponder, no mayday, etc. or that it could have been
hijacked and the transponder turned off.
But if it's the latter, where did it go without being picked up
by some radar as a blip? You'd think all that would have been
analyzed by now. I'm kind of amazed that they are looking on
the other side of Malaysia now. Even if the transponder is off,
how could it wind up there without multiple evidence, ie ATC
radar, military radar seeing it? We had to spend billions to
make the B2 invisible. This a huge plane. On 911 the transponders
were off, which added to the confusion, but ATC continued to
The red circle is in the main area of search focus, ie near where the last
contact was. IDK why you would think a plane that close to the Malasian
cost would not be seen at 10,000 ft. Or why it would not have been seen
constantly as it descended, whatever. But that area is certainly where
debris could be from the sudden loss of the plane at it's last known
I'd say I'd put the probability at 90% that it crashed where the
radar and transponder data suddenly ended. That's because Vietnam
has that picture of what sure looks exactly like an aircraft door.
Right shape, white, looks like a window in the middle. Can't judge
the size. Which is why I think it was just unbelievably stupid to
not keep that plane on it, get another plane there if necessary,
a helicopter, boats there immediately. The US had a cruiser on the
way for a day or more with helicopters, don't know where exactly it
was at the time. Instead it was late afternoon, the plane returned
to base and they didn't look
for it again until the next morning. Now they can't find it.
At the very least they should have gotten good, closeup pics that with fore
nsics it could be determined with high confidence that it's a 777 door.
I don't know about radar, but the flightradar24 system has a receiver
at KB. Their system routinely maintains contact with that flight
via receivers at Kuala Lumpur, Penang, and KB. And then it's picked
up by a receiver in Vietnam. Continous contact all the way. Based
on that, I'd say it either went down where the data ends in the
area between Malaysia and Vietnam, or someone turned off the transponder.
the time for the universal secure ID is just around the corner.
every single human being would get a DNA test, fingerprints, a ID chip inserted in the hand, retinal scan, photos, a universal ID card, a tracking device. Plus more things to keep us secure......
DNA on file would make crimefighting much easier....
to fly, travel, get a job, get a drivers license, and everything else....... even using credit or debit cards, just put your hand there.....
No more need to carry cards;)
Obviously all commercial airliners and perhaps all aircraft need to send a
signal to satellites in real time, providing cockpit conversation, gps loca
tion and engineering details. some videos of cockpit, passenger compartment
, views out windows and looking back at the vehicle.....
would make solving mysteries so much easier..
<Obviously all commercial airliners and perhaps all aircraft need to send a
signal to satellites in real time, providing cockpit conversation, gps
location and engineering details. some videos of cockpit, passenger
compartment, views out windows and looking back at the vehicle.....>
I've read that such a system would cost $300M *per* airline to implement.
Satellite air time isn't cheap and more would have to be launched to handle
that kind of data load. If MH370 is never found - a remote but not
non-existent possibility, we may end up going to such a system because
humans hate unsolved mysteries. But I don't see it happening unless a lot
more planes are hijacked in a similar manner. For a plane that large to go
undiscovered for so long is really an anomaly.
There's an excellent article here that discusses why even the satellite
approach is dubious:
<<I'm quoting his message in full detail, since in cases like this the
details matter. If you don't want to deal with all the specifics, his main
point is: the disappearance of this airplane remains profoundly mysterious,
and would probably remain so even if one much-discussed "remedy" had been in
place. I turn the floor over to Mr. Planey:
Would realtime streaming of black box data end the mystery of what
happened to MH370? Probably not. Here's why.
As the search for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 continues in earnest, many
have called for the implementation of realtime streaming of black-box data.
It is an understandable reaction to an inexplicable event: that a modern
airliner could simply vanish without a trace. The thinking is that
real-time black-box data would make it possible to locate the aircraft more
quickly; to understand what had happened to the aircraft causing it to lose
contact with air traffic control; to perhaps prevent an aircraft safety
incident through monitoring of aircraft systems and highlighting suspect or
anomalous data. But is that really the case with this aircraft and this
flight? Unfortunately, I suspect not . . .
Given that the Boeing 777-200 aircraft on this flight had been recently
inspected and operated without incident over the prior ten days, there are
no red flags leading to a likely cause of the disappearance. Even though
this aircraft was equipped with an ACARS system like the Air France flight,
no relevant data transmissions were made. This reasonably points to a
thoroughly unforeseen, catastrophic event (such as TWA Flight 800) or
perhaps a deliberate action such as hijacking, terrorist action or even
flight crew suicide.
In the case of the immediate, catastrophic event, data streaming would
likely cease at the moment of the event. Either a complete loss of
electrical power would disrupt the data stream or a mechanical break in the
aircraft systems would prevent data transmission. Further, if an aircraft
was in an out-of-control attitude such as a steep dive, a spin or a hard
roll, maintaining a direct link with a satellite would be nearly impossible,
thus again breaking the data stream and rendering the system incapable.>>
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