Wish that I had carried out lots of stuff from where I retired from. The
company had a good retirement when I started. Then after about 25 years
they changed the retirement program and in effect stole about $ 15,000 per
year from me and others.
I also could have retired about 7 years sooner with the same or more money.
The gov't stole about 20 gallons of gasoline from me, over the years. I
put back a $20 bill in the 1980s. Back then, it would buy 25 gallons of
gasoline. Now it will buy 5 gallons. Someone stole those 20 gallons from
me, and that was the good stuff before they started with this ethanol
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On 8/3/2013 3:07 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I *knew* we would get a confession out of you eventually. (-:
But seriously. When certain Federal agencies (which PRISM requires me not
to mention) instituted polygraphs for new hires, they scrupulously
eliminated anyone who admitted to trying *any* kind of illegal drug or who
had admitted to stealing anything from the workplace. When the recruit pool
dwindled down to far too few candidates to choose from, they then instituted
a policy of evaluating the nature of the trangressions.
I think the questions are now phrased "did you ever take anything worth more
than $20 from an employer?" and whether illicit drug use occurred within the
last 3 years. That should give you some idea of the prevalance of employee
Speaking of polygraphs, there's a huge debate occurring at sensitive
agencies asking how Snowden clearly slipped through the vetting process with
a major loose screw going undetected. I believe, like GZ, Snowden was a
washout, only he washed out of Special Forces. Rejection has driven more
than a few people right off rails.
People steal more today because they feel more entitled for a number of
reasons. The changing dynamic from "employer for life" to "contract
employer" had had an effect. When a company reneges on its committments to
employees, theft skyrockets because it becomes morally justified by
employees. "The company screwed me so I will screw them."
People have always stolen if they thought they could get away with it.
A friend of my Dad's ran a stable, not exactly a big dollar operation.
He had a couple employees. He rigged the phones so he could eavesdrop
on the employees and found them bragging about how they stole money
from the place when he wasn't around. Then they'd wonder why he fired
them. Another friend of Dad's died and the guys wife had to go to
work in a restaurant to keep some money coming in. She regularly
stole lots of money straight from the cash register. Another friend
of his was President of one of those Animal Fraternal Organizations
and that guy and another guy did the bartending at the "club" and they
would pocket hundreds of dollars at the end of each evening. My Dad
would never steal a dime.
When I cooked chicken for the Cornell we found one of the area
supervisors was sending the regular managers home and closing up their
stores for the night and in the process he'd throw out a few hundred
dollars worth of receipts and pocket the money. He got fired. That
was one of those things where I thought it was so stupid to lose a
good job like that for a few hundred extra dollars a month.
I'd admit to stealing office supplies and a few nuts and bolts (but
I also donated many many unpaid hours) as well as paid for awards and
cakes and stuff for my people that the company would not pay for. Even
so, it still makes me feel a little bad for taking anything...
On 8/6/2013 4:03 AM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've told the guys working for me that if they needed something, just
ask. I need to keep up with supplies and if someone walks off with a
whole box it can cause a problem. If they need an item that cost's a
lot of money, I let them pay for it over time. I drilled into them that
missing supplies caused job delays and more money than some screws, nuts
and bolts are worth. So just ask. ^_^
That's probably the best explanation. "Are there serious consequences for
Sometimes I think the Ten Commandents enumerates the most basic bad human
behavior. IOW most people have to be reminded not to steal, not to kill,
not covet, etc. because that's what many will do without "guidance."
When I worked at a mob-owned pizzeria a "confederate" would order 4 pizzas
just before closing but not pick them up. They would then go in the trash
to be retrieved by under-fed and very hungry dorm roommates. That was
before I knew the mob ran that place and when I did, we stopped the
practice. The potential consequences are what stopped us.
I've read that when Jimmy Hoffa ran the Teamster's pension funds, he never
lost a dime but when Federal trustees took over the funds, they lost money
by the dumptruck load.
At one place I worked, a rather small lady took a large empty box.
I suppose she needed it for moving. I was leaving the plant right
behind her. She tossed the box over the ten-foot fence, and CLICK, the
turnstile locked and the speaker spewed, "What's in that box?"
I'm thinking, "If there were anything of any size in that box. she
couldn't have thrown it like that, and if it were of any value, it isn't
after falling ten feet onto the parking lot."
But before I could say that, the guard said something like, "Hold it
where we can look inside."
Now I'm thinking, "Odd to ask her to do anything with the box after
you locked the gate between her and it."
He that complies against his will is of the same opinion still.
There are lots of very light, yet valuable items. In addition, value is in
the eye of the beholder. A small, relatively unbreakable item, cushioned
with lots of bubble wrap, could easily survive a ten-ten foot fall.
Now I'm thinking, "Odd that someone could throw a large empty box over a
ten-foot fence." I would have liked to have seen her technique.
If it was folded up, why would Wes have wondered what could have been in
it? Why would the guards have asked her to open it so they could look
inside? Why would she have had to throw it over the fence?
Even folded up, I would like to see the technique used. Frisbee style
perhaps? 10' feet is fairly high when trying to throw an object that will
catch wind, unless of course the wind was in her favor. Maybe it was windy
enough that she just threw it straight up and the wind carried it over. ;-)
You would have made more than a passable reporter, asking nagging questions
Maybe it was a box kite? Maybe she was a former discus thrower who "spun
up" the box to "escape" velocity? Maybe NBC reporters had previously
strapped a rocket motor to the box? The possibilities are endless.
That's it. The winds were in her favor. For some odd reason I am reminded
of Nixon's secretary Rose Mary Woods showing press photographers how she
could have "accidentally" erased critical footage from the Nixon Tapes by
stretching her arms and legs out to a near impossible "split" and trying to
convince people she held them that way for 18 minutes. Gotta admire her
loyalty even if her veracity was questionable.
And the cow jumped over the moon . . . (-:
Could be! (-: Dogs eat a lot of tape. Video tape, duct tape, cassette
tape and more. Even evidence tapes
(Read the comments - it's a wonder some of those mutts survived although the
Nintendo pictures are claimed by some to be hoax.)
You snipped out the comment that I was responding to, which was the
suggestion that the box might have been folded up.
It's somewhat a matter of semantics. In terms of responding to the comment
that the box was folded up (which is what I was doing) "wondering what was
in it" and "I'm thinking, "If there were anything of any size in that box.
she couldn't have thrown it like that, and if it were of any value, it
isn't after falling ten feet onto the parking lot" are pretty much the same
The point being, if the box had been folded up when she tossed it over the
fence, you probably wouldn't have thought about the size and value of the
contents. That's all I was trying to say.
Remember, I was responding to the comment that the box might have been
folded up. Granted, even a folded up box might be too big to fit through
the turnstile, but based on the fact that you were musing about the
contents, we can be pretty sure that It wasn't folded up.
True. However, the only things worth stealing in our plant were
electronics (other than personal things people may have brought in).
She might have been stealing a router, though in the 1980s, not very
many would do that.
I was _never_ questioned, though I went past the same camera and through
the same turnstile every day. I was always carrying a briefcase into
which I could have fit--just barely--one of the
Sun workstations that were stacked up higher than my head in an unlocked
room ten feet from the door.
Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
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