That initiative is well under way nationwide.
The states have quietly joined together to create this entity (below),
whose purpose is to create a system to collect sales tax for your
state on all your purchases, no matter whose goods you buy:
Here's current legislation:
It's coming, folks.
yup... whatever scheme they come up with I'm OK with so long as it's
fair and doesn't put anyone at a disadvantage. The only reason that
there's such a huge issue w/ sales taxes is because the B&M stores are
so incredibly overpriced that people are flocking to online merchants in
droves. Even if you add 5% or whatever to online prices to allow for
sales tax on many items it's still not worth driving to the store. Just
one example would be cables - I just bought a lot of HDMI, optical
S/PDIF, and RCA cables online for about what just three HDMI cables
would cost me in a store - and for the same cost as store prices...
alternately if I were going high end for about the same as what a B&M
store charges for generic stuff I could get the real high end stuff from
Blue Jeans Cable. This isn't a unique example... it's true for a lot of
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
It's not so much that the B&M stores are overpriced as it is they have
a huge overhead that the internet stores don't have. It's really
about time that the internet retailers paid into the sales tax system
along with the local B&M retailers. I don't like paying the sales tax
but can't for the life of me justify letting the internet retailers
have that much of an advantage at everyone expense.
Pretty much my stance too. If you save $5 not paying sales tax, that
means someone else is going to pay more to make up your share. If
half the sales were untaxed over the Internet, the state would have to
double the tax rate on granny, who does not have a computer.
The ability to tax is the ability to control. Not that we don't need
this and that but there was a time when the individual citizen wasn't
the source of revenue, it was commerce through tariffs and taxes on
on items being moved across borders. I recall a proposal to have a
millage tax, a small tax put on every transaction between business
in and out of the country that would do away with individual income
taxes and bring in the same or more revenue. Sort of like the "Fair
Tax" proposal that has been discussed as a national sales tax in recent
years. The tax would follow The Gross National Product and it makes
sense in the way that some genius embezzler figured out to round off
amounts of all the money passing through a bank and getting pennies
from each transaction, it added up to a great deal of money until it
became a large enough amount to be noticed. I read about the idea years
ago and don't recall where I came across it but it was an intriguing
concept. Gee, I wish I could find the source, perhaps someone else is
familiar with it and may know more about the proposal and who came up
with the idea. ^_^
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:15:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
I recall something like that too. There have been different VATs
proposed too. Some of that type of tax sounds good to the uneducated
because they think the consumer will no longer pay the tax, but
businesses will instead. It all comes out in the cost of goods sold.
We should be more concerned about government spending.
The problem with a VAT is that is a great cover for weasel politicians
who don't want anyone to realize how badly they are doing their job. As
you noted many would simply think that the business is paying and not them.
A tax that is totally obvious and applied in one place (example, no
other taxes except a 38% sales tax) is a great thing because it would
make people do a lot more thinking on election day.
One of the real problems with instituting a VAT is that merchants,
anxious thata they may not recoup the taxes they'd have to pay, increase
their prices to cover any possible shortfall. That means there will be
instant 10% or higher inflation. At least that is what was experienced
in Holland upon instituting the VAT. (European VAT can go higher than
20% depending on the "luxury" status of the merchandise).
Whom do you think will get hit by a 38% more than others? WHo will be
able to afford it best?
The difference is that the European countries didn't eliminate all other taxes
at the same time. The idea behind the "Fair Tax" is that all of the hidden
taxes get eliminated so the end cost to the consumer doesn't change (much).
It'll never happen because it will make government waste evident - every day.
I don't think I've made any significant purchases of taxable goods in
any country that has VAT, but AIUI the tax rate may vary from one kind
of item to another and the tax rate is not necessarily published in the
store or at the cash register -- the tax is already included in the
A student from Zambia told me that their sales taxes (varying rates) are
included in the displayed price but the receipts show the tax paid on
That's the way it is in Europe as well. I still find it disconcerting
here that the price you get quoted for an item is NOT the final price,
since it doesn't include taxes and fees. That is especially cumbersome
for hotels etc, where there may be lodging taxes on top of everything
else. Talkinf about taxation without representation!!!
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:14:24 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
That not because they are conservative, it's because they are mean
spirited cheap bastards who don't give a crap about anyone but
themselves. It takes at least $40.000 to have any kind of decent
living per year. Someone who makes that much and pays 15 % is getting
hurt one whole hell of a lot more then a millionaire who pays the same
15%. All it means to the millionaire is he'll have to keep his
Mercedes 600SL for 3 years instead of 2.
It'll be easy for the big outfits.
A minor hassle for small-timers.
Some will ignore it.
Some will charge the tax and pocket it, not sending it in.
Some will get caught, some won't.
"Cut-out" services might pop up in no-tax states..
Those will be squashed pretty quick.
When I plug my zip into this I get 9.5%.
But I already knew that.
Probably won't make much difference in affecting on-line sales.
Even the tax hit doesn't stop me.
Already pay it with some on-line vendors.
It'll be a minor boon for locales that charge sales taxes.
Then where the local pols are corrupt they'll boost their salaries and
retirement benefits, and the same for public employees.
Cleaner areas will put it to better use.
Otherwise it won't make a hill of beans difference.
Just money being shuffled around like it always is.
Death and taxes.
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