OT - Aboriginal Women Missing or Presumed Dead

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So, in case you didn't know, groups of aboriginal women across Canada are holding protests and gatherings to draw attention to the situation here in Canada. That is, that a disproportionate number of women that are missing or known to have suffered a violent death are aboriginal (aka: "native").
Apparantly, only 4.3 percent of the women in Canada are aboriginal, but over 16 percent of the women that are missing or known to have been killed and suffering a violent death are aboriginal. The aboriginal women are claiming that the police forces in Canada (like the RCMP, the Ontario Provincial Police and local city police forces) aren't doing enough to solve the cases of missing or killed aboriginal women.
Let me see if I can shed some light on it...
There are few industries on the native reserves, so aboriginal women wanting to make a life for themselves migrate to the cities from those reserves. On the reserve, the teacher(s) teach up to Grade 12, but the reality of the situation is that aboriginal students graduating from Grade 12 on a reserve are functionally illiterate. A big part of the reason for that is that unlike other communities, on a native reserve the chief and tribal council have the final say in all matters. So, if little Jimmy Yellowquill can't understand how to solve quadratic equations, and is likely to flunk Grade 7 math, his parents go and talk to the Chief, and the Chief talks to the teacher, and the teacher realizes that littly Jimmy Yellowquill is never going to have to solve a quadratic equation working at any of the few businesses there are on that reserve. So, little Jimmy Yellowquill gets pushed through each grade because the band council and the teachers realize that there are no jobs that little Jimmy Yellowquill would ever apply for that would require he know anything more than grade 4 arithmetic to do. So, the guys and girls graduating from the schools on reservations really don't have any work related skills to speak of and are completely unprepared for University (unless of course, they take a program called "Native Studies" where there is no such thing as "pass" and "fail"; only various levels of "pass". If the girls moving to the cities can't make ends meet working for minimum wage at the golden arches, they put on a sexy outfit and loiter in front of the hotels on Winnipeg's main drag. They get into cars with men they don't know from Adam, and that stranger drives them out somewhere where they don't even know where they are, let alone anyone else. The girl does this stranger a favour, which usually involves sex, and then she demands a substantial amount of money from him.
I dunno. Beats me. Why would that lifestyle result in a disproportionate number of aboriginal women being killed?
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AKA Indians.
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'Tegger[_4_ Wrote:

Correct. But, Aboriginals don't like to be called "Indians". Most of them have never even been to India and can't speak the language. They much prefer to be called "Aboriginal", "Native" or "First Nations".
Truth be told, "Indians" are some of the friendliest and honest people you'll meet. It's just that the ones that move to the cities often get involved with drug and alcohol abuse, and that leads to broken homes and wife beating and sexual abuse and all the wonderful things that alcoholism leads to. And it's that kind of "Indian" that people are prejudice against. And, of course, there's a backlash against alcoholism amongst the Indians themselves. I know native women that won't visit their families because the first thing they do when they all get together is drink, and the women just can't deal with the drama that often ensues. So, you have people within the native community that don't drink and don't want to have anything to do with people that do. It's a problem they all deal with, each in their own way.
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On 5/16/2014 11:10 PM, nestork wrote:

Lots of alcohol, dressed like hookers, and get in the car with strangers. And end up dead. I wonder if anyone else sees a connection?
It sounds like a very high risk way to behave. I'd suggest they find a different way to balance the budget. My guess is that if these people cut back on vice items, eating out, and cable TV, they might balance the budget.
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 05:10:08 +0200, nestork

That's exactly the same problem we have here except it isn't with Aboriginals, it's with a different race.

I think a better characterization instead of "prejudice" would be "not willing to tolerate." Those are the people that give the rest of a race a bad name.

Unfortunately, the rest of society has to deal with and pay for the problems they cause.
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There's a very simple answer: Because they are poor.
<<The poor and the unemployed are twice as likely to become victims of violent crime and nearly three times more likely to suffer emotional damage as a result of being attacked, according to research published today. The study by the Institute of Public Policy Research shows that people living in the most deprived neighbourhoods are more than twice as likely to be mugged and feel "very worried" about being physically attacked as those who live in the most affluent neighbourhoods.
The research, Crimeshare: the unequal impact of crime, shows that almost half a million victims of violent crime started to avoid certain places, used public transport less, and felt unable to take on paid or volunteer work if it involved coming home after dark. About 32,000 people change jobs every year and 180,000 move home as a direct result of being attacked. More than 850,000 people say they lost earnings as a result of becoming a victim of violent crime.>> Source:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/apr/18/socialexclusion.crime
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Same is true in most struggling neighborhoods. I remember when the "riots" broke out here in LA in the 90's - the first places to burn were the liquor stores. The news media tried to make it look like it was an Afr-Am vs Korean conflict, but the truth is that those who lived near the liquor stores wanted liquor stores out of their communities.
Some exceptions, of course, but this was pretty much universal at that time.
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 00:41:43 +0200, nestork

The same is true for a large percentage of grade-12 graduates from the U.S. public school systems. Most U.S. public school systems are controlled by teacher unions and run primarily for the financial benefit of 1) teacher administrators, 2) teachers. The students are a very distant 3rd.
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On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:19:24 AM UTC-4, CRNG wrote:

That's what I was thinking when I was reading it too. It doesn't take a tribal chief here to have kids come out of school without being able to do basic reading, writing and arithmetic.
As to the allegation that the police aren't doing enough to find there missing people or solve homicide cases, that could be true. But there are other factors that can come into play. For example here in the USA, it's often much harder for police to solve murders in black neighborhoods because few people will talk to and cooperate with the police. By the street code, you're a rat if you do that, plus with gangs, etc, someone may kill you. If the victims have a transient lifestyle, etc, that can make it much harder to solve than a more typical case. So, while on the surface, because some of these go unsolved, etc, people may assume that the police aren't doing anything, you'd have to look at the particular cases and do some comparison to reach valid conclusions.
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Hmmm...I don't see any prejudice here...move-in, run true-Americans out and bitch about them being stupid because they don't choose to main-stream their education!
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The news item concerned Canada where the constitution (since 1982) guarantees "aboriginal rights" to Indians, Innu (Eskimos) and Metis (although it offers no rules or guidelines to decide who is eligible for aboriginal rights.) Thus "aboriginal" has a legal function in Canada that it does not in the USA, Britain, etc. (E.g. aboriginals convicted of crimes may petition for lighter sentences than other people, because of historical unfairness to their ancestors.)
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--Not for the Canadian case, where RCMP figures published May 16 report solution of 88 per cent of murders of aboriginal people and 89 per cent of murders of nonaboriginal people (or 89 and 88 per cent, I forget which.) The murder rate in Canada is about 17 per million people per year (554 homicides in 2010, the record low figure.)
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Canada has a lot of problems with our native population in a variety of ways.
In Canada, over 80 percent of the men in prisons are native. And, this fact alone has been held up as proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Canadian judicial system is prejudice against natives. But, the correct explanation here is that natives are often just plain dumb, and make just plain dumb mistakes in the commission of their crimes, thereby making it easy for the police to find and convict the perpetrators.
For example, every fall or early winter you hear a news report on Winnipeg radio that a native man has been convicted of armed robbery because he used a knife to hold up a liquor commission. Then they explain that the Winnipeg police service was able to find the perpetrator by tracking the foot prints in the freshly fallen snow back to the perpetrator's place of residence. And, when police ask the man if he had just robbed a liquor store with a knife, the perpetrator answered in the affirmative.
Often native men will commit crimes when they're drunk. A native man might buy a case of 24 beer at a local hotel beer vendor and bring it home to drink. Well, after him and his friends each have a half dozen beer in them, they want to keep drinking but they don't have any money. So, they decide to lay in wait outside the local beer vendor and attack the next person that comes out with beer. Well, this native has been buying beer at that vendor for years, and the person working cash at that vendor might not know his name, but knows that he often comes to that hotel vendor to buy beer. The guy who gets beat up for his beer wants to press charges and the police give the guy working cash at the hotel vendor a case number and phone number to call the next time he sees that native. The next time that native comes in, the guy working cash makes a phone call and the police are there in a few minutes to arrest the native. A thinking person would not commit a crime at a place where he frequents because people can easily recognize him.
Ya see, dumb people make dumb mistakes and that makes it easier for the police to solve dumb crimes. That's why there are so many natives in Canadian jails.
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In belched:

that is just not possible!!! Home Boi tells us regularly that Canada has NO problems, especially racial profiling. Are you absolutely sure this is true? : )
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How do you know? I've known a number of them and they called themselves Indians.
Some dislike the term, others don't care either way, and still others use it themselves.
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Yep. That's how RCMP cop Monty Robinson got off with no jail time after killing motorcyclist Orion Hutchinson with his car under /highly- suspicious/ circumstances involving large amounts of alcohol (drunken Indian, anyone?). No white would ever have got away with what he did. Robinson was also one of the cops involved in killing Robert Dziekanski in the Toronto airport, also under highly-suspicious circumstances. He got off that one, too.
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ChairMan wrote:

You're right. We have nowhere near as many problems as you (the USA) does. Not even 10% of the problems.
You are so screwed over health care and latin-american migrants and how your politicians are getting ulcers trying to figure out what to do with them, meanwhile they rape and rob their way through your society (the latinos - but I suppose the same could be said of your politicians too).

These indians are not Canadians, so like other native indians in North America, they live off their casinos money logging and mineral rights and gov't handouts and their band leaders squander and pilfer the money leaving the rest of their tribe destitute and it's politically incorrect for us the white people to even point that out let alone do something about it except throw more of our tax money at them.
This issue with the missing squaws - what you don't hear is that nobody's asking why the indian men are allowing their women to go missing and get killed - unless it's them doing most of it.
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On Fri, 16 May 2014 20:10:08 -0700, nestork

wow, the word, aboriginal, brings to mind the images of a "Walkabout"
Hey, they just got here soomer, came from someplace, just earlier, right?
I've never heard the term, but really like the name, First Nations. High ranking, has dignity. Yeah, that's a good name. Does that mean my name is, invader, intruder, thief, what?
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RobertMacy;3237009 Wrote: >

Robert: "Aboriginal" simply means the people who are native to a certain land. The "Aboriginees" of Australia are native to Australia just as the First Nations peoples are aboriginal to Canada and the USA.
RobertMacy;3237009 Wrote: >

> right?

No, there's a lot of controversy over where the earliest people to come to North America actually came from. The most commonly accepted belief is that people crossed from North East Russia and China across a land bridge that connected north eastern Asia and Alaska during the last ice age. But, there is evidence to suggest that North America was originally settled by people that came from what is now Spain and Portugal who crossed the Atlantic by following the edge of an ice sheet that spanned the entire Atlantic Ocean during the last ice age. It's very likely that North America was populated by different people who came from different places on the Earth, but who didn't make contact with each other for centuries after coming here. The reasoning behind that is that the people that settled in South America seem to have a form of writing which is seen carved all over their holy sites, whereas the plains Indians and Arctic peoples (starting with the Arctic culture known as the "Dorset culture", had no form of writing at all. Writing is something that a culture never loses because important events in the culture's history need to be recorded for posterity. For one group of natives to have writing and another group not to have it suggests they came to North America from different places and at different times.
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Everybody comes from somewhere. (-: It's where you end up that's important.

"Better Armed" would probably be the most descriptive.
I always wonder what the Caananites thought when they were told that God promised *their* land of milk and honey to the Jews.
"But this is *our* land!" the Caananites said.
"Here, look at this Torah scroll, it says it right here, "This land is our land, promised by Jehovah!"
"I don't see it . . ."
"Look more closely. Down there. At the very bottom." Bonk! "Unload the caravan, we're home!"
And thus it has been ever since. Just look at all the territorial conflicts going on in the South China Sea. Or the Ukraine and Crimea. Or the Falkland Islands, etc. Or Africa. Or Tibet. The one enduring rule seems to be the land belongs to whomever can grab it and hold it.
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