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Are you saying that 11,000 crimes were committed with guns by legal gun owners in the United States? If that's what you're saying, please show your source of information. If your source doesn't end with .gov, it's probably useless.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Even if it does end in .gov you have to look closely as some of the data is improperly commingled. Often there are legal defensive shootings by legal gun owners in among their stats. A good part of the problem is inconsistent reporting from the various states.
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I still want to see his source. I'll be the judge of its usefulness.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:21:14 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"

if gun ownership causes a DECREASE in violence like you say it does
why are we the most viotent developed country in the world?

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It certainly does. Check out violence in areas where it is legal carry (and easy to obtain *legal* firearms) and areas that don't.

A lie.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:55:10 -0600, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

gee then why does the US have the highest rate of homicide in the westen world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
really?
where's your evidence?
oh. you gone none
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This is glaring proof that you're a liar.

You're the one making the outrageous claim. You're the one in need of proof.

I don't need any. I have the Constitution, which trumps your lies.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:28:52 -0600, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

oh. you cant read a chart.
yeah, you're right wing alright

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I certainly can read. It's *you*, kid, who is illiterate.

I certainly am! You're a leftist loser, likely living in mommy's livingroom. How's her insurance, BTW?
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wrote:

they also had no gun control
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wrote:

actually he did. only when the americans came did they implement gun control limiting each household to 1 autojmatic weapon

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On 1/10/2011 7:40 PM, bpuharic wrote:

I just read in today's Washington Post that more people in the U.S. have been killed by guns in homicides, suicides, and gun accidents than have been killed in all wars starting with the Revolutionary War. Unfortunately, that number was not broken down by legally owned guns versus illegally owned guns. However, the number is sobering, or should be.
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Since a lot of the people killed in war are killed by guns of some type, I can see where this might be true.
--
Jim Rusling
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wrote:

of course,you would have to trust the Washington Post's claim,which is very anti-gun.
Autos kill far more people than guns.
--
Jim Yanik
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bpuharic wrote:

Pretty much. Of these 9,800 gun-related murders, only about 1500 involve the victim and the assailant being strangers. Most of the rest are gang related.
I pray for the 1500 and celebrate the rest.
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Yes, we would much rather be gunless, gutless perfect baby-killing Brits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
James Patrick Bulger (16 March 1990 - 12 February 1993) was a two-year-old boy from Kirkby, Merseyside, England, who was abducted, tortured and murdered by two 10-year-old boys, Robert Thompson (born 23 August 1982) and Jon Venables (born 13 August 1982). Bulger disappeared on 12 February 1993 from the New Strand Shopping Centre, Bootle, while accompanying his mother. His mutilated body was found on a railway line in nearby Walton on 14 February.
And those two murdering 10 year olds didn't even have a gun.
Here are some more gun massacres committed by your fellow, peace-loving Brits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan, armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
On 13 March 1996, unemployed former shopkeeper and former Scout leader Thomas Watt Hamilton (born Thomas Watt, Jr. 10 May 1952) walked into the Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning HP pistols and two Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolvers, all legally held. He was carrying 743 cartridges, and fired his weapons 109 times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
The Cumbria shootings were a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in the county of Cumbria, North West England, United Kingdom.
Yes, the peace-loving, gun-hating Brits somehow still manage to massacre people with guns they supposedly don't have. Just like psychos everywhere else in the world. Didn't the Brits virtually invent serial killing with Jack the Ripper? Don't you EVER get tired of running down America when it's clear you Brits are not one iota better?
And when you can't get guns, you build bombs to mass murder:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland
David John Copeland (born May 15, 1976) is a former member of the British National Party and the National Socialist Movement, who became known as the "London Nail Bomber" after a 13-day bombing campaign in April 1999 aimed at London's black, Bangladeshi and gay communities. The bombs killed three people, including a pregnant woman, and injured 129, four of whom lost limbs. No warnings were given.
-- Bobby G.
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Displaying a firearm and not using it can be considered as "brandishing a firearm" in many states.
Scenario: Bad guys want to rob you. You "display" firearm and they retreat. They go to police officer and state that you waved a gun at them. One lies and the other swears to it. You get arrested and lose your permit.
You never pull a gun unless you shoot it.
Steve
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Oh, please. I can just see it now. The robber that broke into your house in the middle of the night, or the guy with a knife in a liquor store, is going to call the police and file a complaint because he was confronted with a gun. Yeah, I'm sure that happens all the time.... How do you dream up this nonsense?
Most of these bad guys that wind up confronted by a lawful gun owner already have rap sheets 3 pages long and do everything they can to avoid contact with the police.
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Steve B wrote:

I say you're wrong. Displaying a firearm and NOT shooting it is meritorious and worthy of praise. You've prevented a disaster and no one died.
You are correct that the object of my affections may take it the wrong way and get all pissy, and I'd certainly take his attitude into account before escalating the conflict to a potential shoot-out.
On the two occasions I've had to display my sidearm, the actors would have to bathe, put down their tire-iron, and wipe the drool from their chins before making a complaint.
In my state, you can't lose your permit simply because you were arrested.
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Keywords: "In my state". One size does not fit all, and the scenario I described was explained to me during my third CCF class by an Internal Affairs Bureau panel member with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department who investigates OIS's. (Officer Involved Shootings) He explained that if one perp lies, and another swears to it, you would lose the gun and permit until you could make a judge agree with your side of said scenario. He said he had seen it happen.
Bottom line, yes, you can defuse some situations by showing a weapon, or even intimating one with your hand. But, you also must admit that there have been situations where doing that has gotten innocent people in trouble.
I monitor Southern Nevada Law Enforcement channels when in Las Vegas, and have for years. You'd be surprised the number of people who call in others for making a gun gesture with their hands. Now, the police do not really look for that individual, but have it on record, and if that person is stopped, it pops out, and then they usually spend some time getting searched.
As always, the laws hinder "normal" people.
Steve
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