Do you know of a good voice activated voice recorder that uses AA
A while back, I had an air conditioning guy try to swindle me (he told me
point blank after I paid him $200 to test my AC that I needed an entire
new air conditioning system when the problem wasn't even related to the
home AC. The problem was a bad circuit breaker in the main fuse panel!).
So, from now on, I want to RECORD these guys quoting me stuff, just in
My wife uses an Olympus VN-8100PC, is voice activated and lasts for about
24 hours - and the MP3 files can be transferred by USB to the PC - but
the batteries are AAA (triple A) and I hate triple A things!
Do you know of a good voice activated voice recorder that uses AA
PS: Is it legal to stick a voice recorder in my pocket when talking to
these guys? (I think it is but I'm not in the legal profession.)
Why you ask do I hate AAA? Because they give have the life for the same
amount of money as AA and because I then have to stock yet another size
battery when I'm already stocking C (kids toys) and D (flashlights) and
9V (smoke alarms), and my battery charger doesn't handle AAA batteries,
Believe it or not, in a few jurisdictions it IS illegal to record a
conversation without both parties consent (California, Connecticut, Florida,
Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania, and Washington).
Best do a web search.
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:07:30 +0000, thunder wrote:
I don't think you need consent to record a conversation between two
people standing right next to each other - but the idea of asking them is
similar to the tactic I used when calling phone support.
I 'tell' them I'm recording it - that way I ensure they give more honest
answers, even though I'm not recording it.
I did NOT say I didn't have a cite. Where'd you come up with that amazing
From The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press:
"Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties
to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut,
Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New
Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes
hear these referred to inaccurately as "two-party consent" laws. If there
are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to
California Penal Code #632
"(a) Every person who, intentionally and without the consent of all parties
to a confidential communication, by means of any electronic amplifying or
recording device, eavesdrops upon or records the confidential communication,
whether the communication is carried
on among the parties in the presence of one another or by means of a
telegraph, telephone, or other device, except a radio, shall be
punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500),
or imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or in the state
prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment..."
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:05:06 +0000 (UTC), James Gagney wrote:
Most such laws pertain to telecommunications (wire tapping) devices.
If the conversation is truly "in the public eye", then there is no need to
ask permission. As expectation of privacy has been diminished.
That's how tv camera crews get away with video recording people being
investigated by the cops.
Even though bad ass cops who don't know the laws will use their muscle and
get you to stop recording.
Just record it. If it gets to court, let the judge decide.
Which judge? The civil case judge if he sues the contractor and
the judge won't allow the recording as evidence because
it's illegal? Or the criminal judge after the contractor has
criminal charges filed against him for making an illegal
As was correctly pointed out, in a few states it's a criminal
offense to make a recording as the OP intends to do.
Yeah, but if you are using a multi- hundred/thousand device, such as an
expensive camera, you risk getting it trashed by the cop and/or person you
are recording. This is where, the new electronics really comes to your aid.
They are making devices that are so small they can actually run them up your
arteries and take pictures of your insides. It would be very easy to install
such a device in your car that would record the cop while you are getting a
ticket without his knowledge. After all, the cops themselves do it with
their bait cars, and use the recordings in court against the car thief. (as
well as sell them to the TV show producers)
The cable networks have a bunch of reality shows of car repossessors and
pawn shop arguments that depict people being themselves enguaged in their
normal activities. I like the, "bait car" episodes where the car thieves are
recorded while inside their stolen vehicle happily driving it away, before
the cops shut it down and lock all the doors...:^)
Yes, look up the wiretapping laws...
You can make recordings of people when the devices used
to make the recording are not concealed, when in public no
consent is required... Covert recordings require two-party
consent unless you want to be slapped with a wiretapping
None of these statements is true in general. Anyone who wants to record
conversations legally needs to check the laws of his jurisdiction.
Most laws pertain to wiretapping and not face-to-face conversation, but
California's law is broader.
Some states require only one-party consent, so that you can record your
own phone conversations; some states require two-party.
When consent is required and denied, it will be no defense to claim that
the device was "not concealed."
Generally, there is no expectation of privacy in public, but
California's law covers "confidential" conversations.
In any case, it is an unenforceable crime, so I will (and do) break it
regularly. I purchased a Tascam GT-R1 recorder which is small enough to hide
in my pocket, sensitive enough to pick up any and all conversations (and
music) in the area, and has excellent fidelity. So the liberals stupid law
can't be enforced anyway, and was made to be broken by all reasonable human
I don't know on what basis BG concludes it's a liberal law.
It's a law in a few states. I don't know the history of how those
laws were passed and by whom and I doubt BG does either.
That kind of privacy issue, concerning what someone may or
may not record, could just as well be argued by a conservative
as well as a liberal
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